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Iran's Revolutionary Guards prepare for war

Iran is not and has never been a threat to America. Beating the drums of war against a foe that hasn't truly been agressive towards America with anything other than words just illustrates the effectiveness of fearmongering. Neither China nor Iran are threats! You guys are so desperate to find something to be afraid of, you're just scrounging around any country to be afraid of.

It's rather pathetic.

Now if you're afraid of terrorism, then we should focus on intelligence gathering and forging alliances. That's the only way to crush terrorists. Not launching a war campaign against a country that isn't a threat. That's doing exactly what the terrorist need to fuel their hate and create more terrorist in the process.

It's like you guys haven't learned anything from Afghanistan and Iraq.
 
We get a negligable amount of oil from Iran. It could be gone and we would not notice, much like potential domestic drilling (jobs aside). No amount of funding for renewable energy is going to change Iran or our policy towards the country.

I don't think the threat of Iran cutting off oil supply either domestically or strategically at the Persian Gulf is the issue. There is more than enough elasticity according to the pundits in the oil industry and reserves to absorb the losses, it's the markets reaction. They strictly go by rumors, perceived confidence and instincts, not always by solid figures. Get a panic on oil supplies, a few tankers sunk, some Iranian sympathy from other producers and hoarders waiting for a price peak and we'll see what a barrel goes for.
 
We get a negligable amount of oil from Iran. It could be gone and we would not notice, much like potential domestic drilling (jobs aside). No amount of funding for renewable energy is going to change Iran or our policy towards the country.

since oil is fungible, it matters little how much we get directly from Iran. unplug the US from the international oil market, and Iran will still have less money to play around with.
 
I am very very scared of Iran...... Be very afraid of Iran...
 
You did not respond to the post that you quoted, Grant:
Again, from the post you quoted:

I have no idea what your are referring to in those questions so politely, I thought, ignored them.

The invasion of and occupation of Canada and Mexico??
 
Dude, really? I asked a very straightforward question: Would any of the items on the aforementioned list be considered "aggressive threats"?
 
Moving troops in your own country!!!! Iran cant do that!
 
Dude, really? I asked a very straightforward question: Would any of the items on the aforementioned list be considered "aggressive threats"?

Canada is no threat to anyone unless our allies, those with similar moral and legal standards. are attacked.

Canada is not Iran, Egypt, or any other fanatically religious backwater. I have no interest in discussing your goofy hypotheticals.
 
Canada is no threat to anyone unless our allies, those with similar moral and legal standards. are attacked.

Canada is not Iran, Egypt, or any other fanatically religious backwater. I have no interest in discussing your goofy hypotheticals.

You are the most dense person on this board, I swear. Let me make this easier for you to understand.

Please let me know if you think any of these would be aggressive threats to the US:

1. If Iran caused explosions on American territory.
2. If Iran murdered top American nuclear scientists.
3. If Iran deployed sophisticated cyberattacks affecting American infrastructure and top nuclear research facilities.
4. If Iran and Iranian politicians funded and supported an American anti-government revolutionary cult.
5. If Iran invaded and occupied Mexico and Canada.
 
You are the most dense person on this board, I swear.

Oh let's not get dramatic. I could rattle off 20 or 30 top-shelf morons from the top of my head, and he never even gets nominated.
 
You are the most dense person on this board, I swear. Let me make this easier for you to understand.

Please let me know if you think any of these would be aggressive threats to the US:

1. If Iran caused explosions on American territory.
2. If Iran murdered top American nuclear scientists.
3. If Iran deployed sophisticated cyberattacks affecting American infrastructure and top nuclear research facilities.
4. If Iran and Iranian politicians funded and supported an American anti-government revolutionary cult.
5. If Iran invaded and occupied Mexico and Canada.

If, if, if, if and if.

Again, I´m not interested in your goofy hypotheticals. What´s the matter with you???
 
You can't respond because you know they are aggressive threats that the US has perpetrated against Iran and don't want to admit it.
 
You can't respond because you know they are aggressive threats that the US has perpetrated against Iran and don't want to admit it.

If you want to talk about Iran I´m certainly willing but I´ll not be sidetracked into your profoundly silly hypotheticals.
 
If you want to talk about Iran I´m certainly willing but I´ll not be sidetracked into your profoundly silly hypotheticals.

I do believe that Khayembii Communique has over estimated your mental abilities. All the items on his list are things that we, the good ol' USA, have done to Iran. Not hypothetical in the least. Of course you know that and are just pretending to stupidity for comedic effect. Hoo rah.
 
I do believe that Khayembii Communique has over estimated your mental abilities. All the items on his list are things that we, the good ol' USA, have done to Iran. Not hypothetical in the least. Of course you know that and are just pretending to stupidity for comedic effect. Hoo rah.

I wouldn't be so sure. I think he may seriously have needed someone to spell it out for him. ;)
 
Steve can have his opinion and we can have ours.

Oh, so, let's hear how you propose that a war with Iran would turn out?? And what is the basis for that opinion?


Do you really believe the world can ignore the Middle East and not get involved? Do you think the Middle East, and the Islamists, will ignore the US, Europe and the other democracies? They are there, as well as here, and we have to deal with it, threats of "embroilment" or not.

Well, maybe if you believe the premise that terrorism is the result of jealousy and not an act of retaliation from oppression, then we cant just ignore the middle east.

At this point, because the us had done so much against the ME already, we're likely well past the point where they would just leave us alone...

So, ya, at this point we do have to deal with the problems we've created.

I don´t believe we should concern ourselves too much with what China and Russia say. It seems that the West is running scared from what the Middle East might say, what the Russians might say, what the Chinese might say, and so on.

Umm, first the russians, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/12/russia-upset-over-us-wars_n_875659.html

Next, china http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/04/usa-china-idUSL3E7L40IA20111004

Neither of those blocs are to be messed with... Remember when the us started that little skirmish in south Ossetia ?? Well, the Russians rolled in with nuke launchers... They are NOT a joke.

Again, the Chinese could destroy the us without ever firing a shot... We are that deep in debt, that they decide whether or not the US has an economy.

Have the democracies become such wimps that we are afraid to call these third world ninnies what they actually are, and that if they dare raise a hand against us we will annihilate them?

Generally yes, but not wanting war is not necessarily a sign of weakness.

The West is leaderless right now and that makes the world a far more dangerous place. By BHO attempting to make the third world like him, that he is a sensitive liberal guy who admits America´s faults and just wants to get along, makes America, and the West, look weak and foolish. Denigrating ourselves does not make us more secure.

I tend to agree here.



Yes, the idea is to win at whatever costs. The US cannot be defeated militarily but it can be defeated any number of other ways and is in that process now. The leaders are weak, the people are weak, the culture is weak, the borders are weak, and the foreign policy is either non existent or counter productive. Being afraid of what other leaders might say just brings this point home yet again. Americans can´t even defend their own borders, or carry an official I.D. card, without an internal fuss being made. They have indeed become a sanctuary nation.

Win against what?? You mean against the enemies the us creates through their actions??

Do you have a link to that?

Let´s not stray too far from the discussion.

Yes, i agree that this whole body scan thing is a scam and an incredible over reaction against American civil liberties, But that´s the price we all pay for being politically correct rather than smart.



It seems you arrived at the logical conclusion.


Which was my point, Everyone knows the US is weak and doesn't want any casualties in any confrontation. Any war involving the United States will eventually become political and the politicians, as well as too many of the people, will become frightened and weak and will soon just want to leave, Americans can´t even defend their own borders for crying out loud, for fear of offending someone. How pathetic is that? This does not go unnoticed in the international community, or by Allies or those who would want to do harm.

I generally agree with all this, to a great extent the American people are defeated... As a generality they've grown accustomed to all the toys and trinkets, and in many ways kept juvenile and ignorant.

Now, in ways war has already started with Iran, but russia and china have both been making attempts to block this...

If there is talk of a serious threat to the US by a legitimate leader you mention the possibility of a cluster bomb in his immediate vicinity. If the talk continues, just do it, and mention to his successor that there are plenty more waiting to be used. Don't fool with these bastards and their sense of self preservation will soon overcome any aggressive tendencies they might harbor.

Ya, that can work against SOME countries, but china for example has a military that FLUCTUATES the American population... The Russians are at a comparable technological development AND they do not back down. Putin, if he maintains power, is a killer. Look in his eyes.

Iran is not really a threat to the us in any direct and significant way, neither was the rest of the middle east, though the middle east IS close to Israel, and it's pretty well accepted that Israel and us are close allies.

Barrack Hussein Obama is either working against America´s interests or is irredeemably stupid. There is the possibility of both being true.

Before I answer, with bush, I asked the similar question that he was either As stupid as he came across and believed his own tripe, OR he was simply an evil genius... Or it is possible that he was a mediocre puppet acting stupid, though he was aware of his "job" before hand.

Similarly, Obama comes across as a lot smarter, and so. It seems more likely that he is knowingly working against American interests....
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That may be overstating the case but under the present circumstances it´s the Chinese, the Islamists and the Latin Americans who are all interested in remaking the United States in their own light. They´ll probably fight it out eventually, though in ways that will again be quite different from previous wars.

It's really not overstating the case, though such actions would be a detriment to china as well, but they are better prepared to handle that shock.

The southern border wars is a whole other issue...


In fact all they do is mess around. Their future is grim as well.



I doubt there is much Americans can do now to save the America that was. Perhaps it has to get worse before it can possibly get better but the way Americans are turning on each other, their reckless disregard for spending limits, the corruption in the government, the breakdown in the education system, the disappearing lack of pride in the American individualism, etc. does not bode well.

And this is all very, very sad for the world. There is no place anyone can go to now to realize the dream that America once inspired.

Ya, it's unfortunate, but the entire world is facing a great depression, it could be decades before the world returns to some level of positive economics, but it the trend does not turn, I don't believe that the constitution will be saved...
 
I do believe that Khayembii Communique has over estimated your mental abilities. All the items on his list are things that we, the good ol' USA, have done to Iran. Not hypothetical in the least. Of course you know that and are just pretending to stupidity for comedic effect. Hoo rah.

The US invading and occupying Canada is not a hypothetical?

Are you certain you know what "hypothetical" means or do you really believe that happened?
 
Grant said:
The US invading and occupying Canada is not a hypothetical?

Lol you still don't get it. I was talking about Iran invading and occupying Canada, I even explicitly wrote this.
 
Oh, so, let's hear how you propose that a war with Iran would turn out?? And what is the basis for that opinion?

That would depend entirely on the American leadership and whether they genuinely intended to win a war or not. Right now, given present US leadership, I doubt they could defeat any hostile countries. They are too keen to "lead from behind" and a single casualty would create immediate public, and thus political, concern

Well, maybe if you believe the premise that terrorism is the result of jealousy and not an act of retaliation from oppression, then we cant just ignore the middle east.

Are those your two choices? There is no evidence that these are factors. We can look to see what the Jihadists are saying directly rather than have pundits guessing at the reasons.

At this point, because the us had done so much against the ME already, we're likely well past the point where they would just leave us alone...

This is another reason why America could lose. It is always America´s fault and the Jihadists have every reason to murder Americans. America has made a preemptive surrender. Perhaps, as a Norwegian leader once suggested regarding Islam in Norway (I believe it was Norway!), we´ll be nice to them now so they´ll treat you kindly once they take control.
So, ya, at this point we do have to deal with the problems we've created.

No, you won´t deal with the problem, the Jihadists will. This attitude gives them the control. They are the strong horse and America is the weak horse. You be fiddling with each others genitals at airports, thinking this will keep you secure, while being laughed at everywhere. The first terrorist who gets caught, deliberately probably, with an explosive suppository up his rear will really slow down those shuffling shoeless lineups.


The US owes China trillions of dollars so it is China who has the problem. What do you fear from the Chinese and Russians?

Neither of those blocs are to be messed with... Remember when the us started that little skirmish in south Ossetia ?? Well, the Russians rolled in with nuke launchers... They are NOT a joke.

It seems that many Americans are frightened by everyone right now, and with some good reasons. This self loathing and bickering between each other, the fear of someone getting hurt in a war, etc. has taken its toll. Just when Americans needed strong leadership they opted for a "community organizer" from Chicago and the consequences are clear. Americans might do the same in the next election as well, and will then genuinely self destruct.

Again, the Chinese could destroy the us without ever firing a shot... We are that deep in debt, that they decide whether or not the US has an economy.

Yes, this debt has made America vulnerable and uncertain. No longer are they the land of the free and the home of the brave, the land of broad shoulders.

And yet there is no talk of austerity, money is being spent on pie in the sky programs, the delays in Keystone project has cost Americans thousands of jobs, as well as a secure of energy, and the leadership dithers. What did Americans really expect? And now there are signs that it could be a tossup between Newt Gingrich and Barrak Obama for President! These are not a seemingly serious people.

Generally yes, but not wanting war is not necessarily a sign of weakness.

It is to your enemies.
Win against what?? You mean against the enemies the us creates through their actions??

America used to be the leader of the free world. Now this attitude is commonplace. The British once felt the same way, and indeed many still do. They lost their power but America was ready to assume it, and it was a peaceful transition between countries of shared philosophies as to human rights, etc. Now who is going to follow America?
I generally agree with all this, to a great extent the American people are defeated... As a generality they've grown accustomed to all the toys and trinkets, and in many ways kept juvenile and ignorant.

There is truth in that but it also applies to the Western democracies in general. But that doesn't mean we cannot be strong as well. We just have to quit accepting blame for all the problems in the world.
Ya, that can work against SOME countries, but china for example has a military that FLUCTUATES the American population... The Russians are at a comparable technological development AND they do not back down. Putin, if he maintains power, is a killer. Look in his eyes.

Then elect a leader who doesn't mind looking back.

Iran is not really a threat to the us in any direct and significant way, neither was the rest of the middle east, though the middle east IS close to Israel, and it's pretty well accepted that Israel and us are close allies.

All genuine democracies need to be close Allies.

Before I answer, with bush, I asked the similar question that he was either As stupid as he came across and believed his own tripe, OR he was simply an evil genius... Or it is possible that he was a mediocre puppet acting stupid, though he was aware of his "job" before hand.

He was none of these things. He was a good man trying to do the best he could under difficult circumstances. He lost a great deal of support when he let the debt grow and began unsustainable social programs.

Similarly, Obama comes across as a lot smarter, and so. It seems more likely that he is knowingly working against American interests....

There has been no evidence that BHO is actually any smarter. Both are well educated men, though Obama´s scholastic records apparently remain a secret. That´s not so important anyway. It does often seem that Obama is working against American interests. The Keystone Pipeline is the most recent case in point.
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The southern border wars is a whole other issue...

And another area where the Obama administration would appear to be working against American interests.
Ya, it's unfortunate, but the entire world is facing a great depression, it could be decades before the world returns to some level of positive economics, but it the trend does not turn, I don't believe that the constitution will be saved..

It´s time to be strong and not depend on the government for anything, no matter what the politicians promise. And Americans have to start supporting and trusting each other rather than trying have the government as a middleman between the people. This only creates conflict, and unscrupulous politicians will often use this to their benefit.
 
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Lol you still don't get it. I was talking about Iran invading and occupying Canada, I even explicitly wrote this.

Yes, and I wrote that I am not interested in your goofy hypothetical fantasies. What part of this do you not understand? Perhaps you can get one of the moderators to explain it to you.
 
Yes, and I wrote that I am not interested in your goofy hypothetical fantasies. What part of this do you not understand? Perhaps you can get one of the moderators to explain it to you.

He was comparing the USA invading a country bordering Iran (Iraq) and that would be compared to to Iran invading a country bordering the USA and that would be Canada. Each of his was of this type. I know, I know, you know that and the ignorant act is just for comedy.
 
He was comparing the USA invading a country bordering Iran (Iraq) and that would be compared to to Iran invading a country bordering the USA and that would be Canada. Each of his was of this type. I know, I know, you know that and the ignorant act is just for comedy.

What is it about Leftists that make them so stupid? Is it genetic? The consequences of poor education?

We all understand the point this poor fellow was trying to make but I´ll not go along with his comparison of Iran with Canada. Is the really best analogy the pathetic leftists can come up with?

The idea is to deal with reality, not some fantasy that pathetic leftists create in their dull little minds.

What part of that do you not understand?
 
Iran would be negligent not to take on a defensive posture with their military... and they would be insane to go any farther than taking a defensive posture.
 
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