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    Re: Iran's Revolutionary Guards prepare for war

    This has got to be the quietest build up to armed conflict ever.

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    Re: Iran's Revolutionary Guards prepare for war

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Sure it is. Just like it was an accurate comparison when applied to Nikita Kruschev, Saddam Hussein (after he was our friend), Slobadon Milosevic, Saddam Hussein (again), Moammar Gaddafi (before he was our friend), Kim Jong-il, Moammar Gaddafi (after he was our friend), and every US President in the last 70 years! And I'm sure it will be an accurate comparison next week too, when the label is applied to someone else who is undoubtedly plotting to unleash carnage on the world and must be dealt with immediately.

    Comparing people to Hitler who AREN'T Hitler is retarded, and is a substitute for actually thinking about foreign policy.
    I wasn't making a comparison with Hitler so much as contrasting this situation with everything that came from the burning of the Reichstag - which wasn't just a Hitler thing. Exploiting a single event for political and militaristic purposes

    You can get frustrated with the comparison all you want: doesn't make it any less accurate of a comparison in this situation as I meant it.
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    Re: Iran's Revolutionary Guards prepare for war

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The problem has been that the US has been trying to fight wars while avoiding casualties on either side. This is not the way wars are fought, and with the current attitude it could be 100 years for any war to end. And we would lose the peace. You must act in such a manner that the enemy will never think going near a weapon of any sort ever again. I could name a couple of examples.
    Let me get this straight... you are in favor of pre-emptive wars??

    What have they done to deserve this?? Built a nuclear power plant?? (A plant which was built in such a way that Iran would NOT be able to get weapons grade uranium, Russia would get that material)

    If lines are blocked you unblock them.
    Military strategists have estimated that it would take MANY MONTHS JUST to clear that straight... meanwhile, all that oil is being held up... Since that also blocks trade coming out of the entire region, that would cause unrest in neighboring countries which would spill over.

    So, you now have a world war on your hands... except this time the US/ Euro / NATO is the Axis and the Middle East is the "allies".

    The war has already started. Are you so old fashioned that you feel it still has to be declared?
    There's reasons why wars were DECLARED... and not simply waged. I guess we're going to, as a society, have to relearn those lessons.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I wouldn't worry too much about it. There are some asshats in Iran who want war, just as there are some asshats in the United States who want war. But they aren't a majority...either in terms of public opinion or in terms of political power. Ali Khamenei knows perfectly well what would happen if he went to war with the United States, and he has no intention of doing anything to start one.
    See but now the US is SO HEAVILY propagandized that they are just going to push Iran into a corner UNTIL they are FORCED to retaliate, THEN they are going to declare this retaliation an attack and then they go in full force.

    Let's be clear, EVERY analyst will tell you that the SECOND you get boots on the ground in Iran there is NO WAY to win short of this becoming a nuclear war.

    I do hope and pray that this buildup can be diverted from turning into a full blown conflict.

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    Re: Iran's Revolutionary Guards prepare for war

    "You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end." Matthew 24:6

    And the beat goes on... <yawn>

    Surely, nation shall rise against nation. I think Iran has more to worry about in their own back yard than they have to worry about from any of us.

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    Re: Iran's Revolutionary Guards prepare for war

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Surely, nation shall rise against nation. I think Iran has more to worry about in their own back yard than they have to worry about from any of us.
    I agree. When the theocracy falls (which will happen sooner or later), it's far more likely that it will have been brought down by its own people, rather than outside powers.
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    Re: Iran's Revolutionary Guards prepare for war

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Let me get this straight... you are in favor of pre-emptive wars??
    YouŽll never get it straight if you try to guess at what people are saying.
    What have they done to deserve this?? Built a nuclear power plant?? (A plant which was built in such a way that Iran would NOT be able to get weapons grade uranium, Russia would get that material)
    Are you debating with yourself here after making a claim on my behalf that i did not make?


    Military strategists have estimated that it would take MANY MONTHS JUST to clear that straight... meanwhile, all that oil is being held up... Since that also blocks trade coming out of the entire region, that would cause unrest in neighboring countries which would spill over.
    Which military strategists said that? And there is already "unrest" in neighboring countries.
    So, you now have a world war on your hands... except this time the US/ Euro / NATO is the Axis and the Middle East is the "allies".
    A World War against whom? You feel the Middle East countries are all for Iran?

    There's reasons why wars were DECLARED... and not simply waged. I guess we're going to, as a society, have to relearn those lessons.
    Yes, just as we learned about guerrilla warfare and terrorism as a tactic.

    See but now the US is SO HEAVILY propagandized that they are just going to push Iran into a corner UNTIL they are FORCED to retaliate, THEN they are going to declare this retaliation an attack and then they go in full force.
    It seems that it is Iran who is doing the propagandizing, but if the US is propagandized perhaps you should take it up with Barrack Obama.
    Let's be clear, EVERY analyst will tell you that the SECOND you get boots on the ground in Iran there is NO WAY to win short of this becoming a nuclear war.
    Why put boots on the ground at all if they are going to be nuked?

    I do hope and pray that this buildup can be diverted from turning into a full blown conflict.
    Yes, hoping and praying is a good a strategy for some.

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    Re: Iran's Revolutionary Guards prepare for war

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I agree. When the theocracy falls (which will happen sooner or later), it's far more likely that it will have been brought down by its own people, rather than outside powers.
    That could be wishful thinking.

    In fact Islamism is growing and weŽll now see more of it, and further violence, in the Middle East especially.

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    Re: Iran's Revolutionary Guards prepare for war

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That could be wishful thinking.

    In fact Islamism is growing and weŽll now see more of it, and further violence, in the Middle East especially.
    "Islamism" does not equal love for Iran, nor does it necessarily equal extremism. Specifically, Islamism is politically ascendant in Sunni Arab regimes that have long been repressed by the United States and US-aligned dictators. That does not describe Iran. Iranians have no love for their theocracy, or their government in general. Remember that Islamist parties were the only opposition allowed to exist in places like Egypt, for example. They do well because they were well-organized, and because they express the citizens' legitimate anger at their previous government and at complicit Western powers.

    I don't think that translates into more support for Iran in the Arab world (much less in Iran itself). Arabs once viewed Iran as the revolutionary power able to stand up to the hated West (and to their own hated governments). I think that Arabs are now more likely to view Iran as a country that is supporting repressive regimes and terrorist groups in the Arab world, and the Arab countries that have already overthrown their dictators are less likely to care about Iran's standing up to the United States.

    Within Iran itself, Islamism has been declining for a long time in the court of public opinion.
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    Re: Iran's Revolutionary Guards prepare for war

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    "Islamism" does not equal love for Iran, nor does it necessarily equal extremism. Specifically, Islamism is politically ascendant in Sunni Arab regimes that have long been repressed by the United States and US-aligned dictators. That does not describe Iran. Iranians have no love for their theocracy, or their government in general. Remember that Islamist parties were the only opposition allowed to exist in places like Egypt, for example. They do well because they were well-organized, and because they express the citizens' legitimate anger at their previous government and at complicit Western powers.

    I don't think that translates into more support for Iran in the Arab world (much less in Iran itself). Arabs once viewed Iran as the revolutionary power able to stand up to the hated West (and to their own hated governments). I think that Arabs are now more likely to view Iran as a country that is supporting repressive regimes and terrorist groups in the Arab world, and the Arab countries that have already overthrown their dictators are less likely to care about Iran's standing up to the United States.

    Within Iran itself, Islamism has been declining for a long time in the court of public opinion.
    The problem is not just with Iran, it is with Islamism, and this problem is not confined to the Middle East. That might well have been the source at one time but it is now bigger internationally than just the Middle East.

    And as we can see in Iran, as you say, it is the religious leaders who are in charge and they will decide which direction Islamism takes, not the general public,

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    Re: Iran's Revolutionary Guards prepare for war

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I think it is kind of funny. Iran challenging and preparing for war against the US and Britain is like a Junior High football team challenging and preparing to play the Green Bay Packers.
    All they have to do is sink a few ships in the Straits of Hormuz, where most of the world's oil passes through, and we will be hurt in a major way. Yes, we would kick Iran's ass in a war, but we would come out of it severely crippled. But that's our fault for not doing nearly enough to wean ourselves off of Mideast oil.
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