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New York City Cafe May Shut Its Doors for Good Due to 'Occupy,' Owner Says

Ikari said:
You don't need to respect OWS. But as they have the right to assemble and protest; you do have to tolerate them.
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I´ve seen no one claim they do not have a right to assemble and protest but you called those who disagree "stupid propaganda and retard arguments about OWS".

You stand strong on the freedom to protest and assemble, when no one is denying that right, but appear quite weak on the issue of free speech. And of course you"ve not offered any argument to support this "propaganda" and "retard arguments". This is much like OWSers themselves in fact, "Full of sound and fury but signifying dick".
 
Grant said:
I´ve seen no one claim they do not have a right to assemble and protest but you called those who disagree "stupid propaganda and retard arguments about OWS".....
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really? he said anyone who simply disagrees with OWS is spewing "stupid propaganda & retard arguments"?????
 
Thunder said:
the OWS protesters pay income taxes & sales taxes. That funds the parks & the police. So don't go down that route.
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Nonsense. In order to be paying taxes, they would have to be earning money, on which and out of which to pay those taxes, which would have to mean that they have jobs, and are working at these jobs instead of sh**ting on police cars are doing other OWS-type stuff.


Thunder said:
and yes, I find the right to express grievances against the government is slightly more important than the right of Sally & Johnny to play ball with their puppy.
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False dichotomy. They don't need to abuse public parks and similar resources, in order to express grievances. That's not what these parks are for. They certainly do not need to interfere with the ability of the 53% to get to and work at their own jobs, in order to express grievances.

You cavalierly dismissed their abuse of a public park, and the right of the public to enjoy that park for its intended purpose, by saying “…Johnny & Sally can just go to another park.” Why should “Johnny and Sally” have to go to another park, just because a bunch of worthless deadbeats decided to take over the park that they wanted to use? More important, why should any of the 53% have to quit their jobs, and find other jobs, because these same deadbeats choose to interfere with their ability to get to their extant jobs?

As Will Rogers once said, “Your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins.” You're defending a violent, parasitic mob who insists on being able to swing their fists wherever and whenever they want, without regard for wherever anyone else's nose may be.

I note that the language in the First Amendment affirming the right to assemble specifically limits that right to doing so “peaceably”. The OWS vermin have done their thing in anything but a peaceable manner, and have, in fact, very clearly expressed their intent to not do so peaceably. The right of these vermin to act unpeaceably does not trump the right of the rest of the public to go about their business peaceably.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
Nonsense. In order to be paying taxes, they would have to be earning money, on which and out of which to pay those taxes, which would have to mean that they have jobs, and are working at these jobs instead of sh**ting on police cars are doing other OWS-type stuff....
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many OWS protesters have jobs, as only a few hundred folks lived in the camps. most of the protesters were working folks who came to protests after work or over the weekend.



...They don't need to abuse public parks and similar resources, in order to express grievances....
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camping out in a park is not "abusing" a park.

....You cavalierly dismissed their abuse of a public park, and the right of the public to enjoy that park for its intended purpose, by saying “…Johnny & Sally can just go to another park.” Why should “Johnny and Sally” have to go to another park, just because a bunch of worthless deadbeats decided to take over the park that they wanted to use?...
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you are clearly very biased & bigoted against these people, and its hard to take any of your views on the OWS movement very seriously when you use such language and make such inflammatory generalizations.
 
Helix said:
how many cafes have closed due to large corporations outsourcing our manufacturing sector?

how many cafes have closed due to the fallout caused by the risky gambling of corporate elites?

how many cafes have closed due to restricted lending while those same banks enjoy loans from the fed whenever they need them?

more than one, that's for sure.
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So you are saying that OWS is just as evil as those they are protesting? Its kind of like being opposed to Drunk driving then driving drunk while complaining about drunk drivers.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
So you are saying that OWS is just as evil as those they are protesting? Its kind of like being opposed to Drunk driving then driving drunk while complaining about drunk drivers.
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Oh god I'm so confused.
 

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Helix said:
how many cafes have closed due to large corporations outsourcing our manufacturing sector?

how many cafes have closed due to the fallout caused by the risky gambling of corporate elites?

how many cafes have closed due to restricted lending while those same banks enjoy loans from the fed whenever they need them?

more than one, that's for sure.
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Or, in summary, cafes are closing because their customers, the middle class with a little bit of disposable income, is vanishing.
 
Grant said:
I´ve seen no one claim they do not have a right to assemble and protest but you called those who disagree "stupid propaganda and retard arguments about OWS".

You stand strong on the freedom to protest and assemble, when no one is denying that right, but appear quite weak on the issue of free speech. And of course you"ve not offered any argument to support this "propaganda" and "retard arguments". This is much like OWSers themselves in fact, "Full of sound and fury but signifying dick".
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Much like no one justifies the "dirty hippie" or "vermin" arguments. blah blah blah propaganda against OWS. I stand strong by free speech as well. I never once endorsed police action against propaganda and retard arguments. Y'all can have a field day with it. Now which one of us here IS endorsing police action against a right? A man you just called a retarded argument retarded, or the ones endorsing police action against a group's ability to assemble and protest?

BTW, did you actually read the post I quoted and called propaganda and retarded argument? Cause it was propaganda and retarded argument. If you don't like it; well I guess that's your problem. But I'll continue to call a duck a duck; even if you don't like it.
 
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Thunder said:
really? he said anyone who simply disagrees with OWS is spewing "stupid propaganda & retard arguments"?????
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I quoted the last line in this response

Bob Blaylock said:
You ought to be more concerned.

If the “Occupy” vermin drive enough of your city's businesses out of business, causing tax revenues to be reduced by enough, your employer may be forced to cut off some of the dead wood, and reduce its work force down to those who perform actual work. Forced out of your comfy sinecure, will you deign to seek a real job, and how successful will you be at it in a local economy where too many potential employers have been taken out, especially given that you will have to compete with others who have actual experience and aptitude at doing productive work?

Will you continue to defend these vermin when they become a threat to your own livelihood?
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and called it retarded argument and propaganda which cannot distract from the overall facts in the case. That's it.
 
Ikari said:
Much like no one justifies the "dirty hippie" or "vermin" arguments. blah blah blah propaganda against OWS. I stand strong by free speech as well. I never once endorsed police action against propaganda and retard arguments. Y'all can have a field day with it. Now which one of us here IS endorsing police action against a right? A man you just called a retarded argument retarded, or the ones endorsing police action against a group's ability to assemble and protest?

BTW, did you actually read the post I quoted and called propaganda and retarded argument? Cause it was propaganda and retarded argument. If you don't like it; well I guess that's your problem. But I'll continue to call a duck a duck; even if you don't like it.
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I´m not arguing against your right to use the terms "retarded argument" or "propaganda" , and the other poster has the same rights. You use "retarded argument" while others view the OWS as "vermin". I don't see a great deal of difference between the two. It seems to me your argument is poorly thought out but that´s not mentioned in the Constitution.

And again, it is a matter of the form any protests take and whether it deters anyone else from going about their lawful rights as well. It appears that these protesters, who for the most part are not terribly bright, are indeed not allowing others to carry on business as usual. Those who are suffering as a result of the actions of these inarticulate boobs will want to extract their revenge and the whole thing will escalate, Constitution or no. Common sense will be ignored or go unrecognized.

While these undereducated ninnies wrap themselves in the Constitution, when it suits them, they are also deterring others from their same Constitutional rights.

"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel", said Samuel Johnson, while the inarticulate zombies who dirty wherever they gather, take refuge in the Constitution, their first refuge, but only when it suits them alone.
 
Grant said:
I´m not arguing against your right to use the terms "retarded argument" or "propaganda" , and the other poster has the same rights. You use "retarded argument" while others view the OWS as "vermin". I don't see a great deal of difference between the two. It seems to me your argument is poorly thought out but that´s not mentioned in the Constitution.

And again, it is a matter of the form any protests take and whether it deters anyone else from going about their lawful rights as well. It appears that these protesters, who for the most part are not terribly bright, are indeed not allowing others to carry on business as usual. Those who are suffering as a result of the actions of these inarticulate boobs will want to extract their revenge and the whole thing will escalate, Constitution or no. Common sense will be ignored or go unrecognized.

While these undereducated ninnies wrap themselves in the Constitution, when it suits them, they are also deterring others from their same Constitutional rights.

"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel", said Samuel Johnson, while the inarticulate zombies who dirty wherever they gather, take refuge in the Constitution, their first refuge, but only when it suits them alone.
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No, when people use a retarded argument such as what was given and use propaganda terms like "vermin", then that's what it is. You yourself engage in propaganda. You don't prove your point either, you just want to sit here and insult the protesters and pretend this case is actually about them. It's not. The barricades were already down in that area, the protest more contained to a local area (I like how we have to "contain" protest these days; nothing like caging freedom). Maybe this dude's cafe just sucks. We don't know. What we do know is that the same partisan hacks who have been hacking it up during the OWS wouldn't let this go unheard and have used it for another propaganda attack against OWS.

It's obvious which people have actually taken interest and have tried to figure out what OWS was up to and those who are just partisan hacks and only want to insult it and the people in it. The latter group should mostly be ignored, but unfortunately jerks tend to be the loudest group.
 
Ikari said:
No, when people use a retarded argument such as what was given and use propaganda terms like "vermin", then that's what it is. You yourself engage in propaganda. You don't prove your point either, you just want to sit here and insult the protesters and pretend this case is actually about them. It's not. The barricades were already down in that area, the protest more contained to a local area (I like how we have to "contain" protest these days; nothing like caging freedom). Maybe this dude's cafe just sucks. We don't know. What we do know is that the same partisan hacks who have been hacking it up during the OWS wouldn't let this go unheard and have used it for another propaganda attack against OWS.

It's obvious which people have actually taken interest and have tried to figure out what OWS was up to and those who are just partisan hacks and only want to insult it and the people in it. The latter group should mostly be ignored, but unfortunately jerks tend to be the loudest group.
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The OWS invite insults, and in fact appear to go out of their way to provoke them.

It´s clear we cannot have a serious discussion about their motives or effectiveness of their argument as their is little of it, so we discuss only their anti social behavior. That´s it.

There is really nothing in their protest that appeals to the intellect, and they already have the ear pf the POTUS. What more do they want to accomplish and what can they accomplish? It is protests for protests sake, and nothing more. They are not a sympathetic group.
 
Grant said:
The OWS invite insults, and in fact appear to go out of their way to provoke them.
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Only from stupid people. The rest of us learned to ignore them.

Grant said:
It´s clear we cannot have a serious discussion about their motives or effectiveness of their argument as their is little of it, so we discuss only their anti social behavior. That´s it.
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It's clear? No, the discussion can be had if not for partisan hacks spewing their idiotic propaganda that they obviously invested little time, energy, and thought into. I mean if you're going to engage in propaganda, at least try to do a good job.

Grant said:
There is really nothing in their protest that appeals to the intellect, and they already have the ear pf the POTUS. What more do they want to accomplish and what can they accomplish? It is protests for protests sake, and nothing more. They are not a sympathetic group.
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There's quite a bit that appeals to intellect if one really wanted to look at the system honestly. But if you can't look at the system honestly and can only be a biased partisan hack, then you'll never be able to understand the interesting dynamics and goals and thoughts of the protesters.
 
Ikari said:
No, when people use a retarded argument such as what was given and use propaganda terms like "vermin", then that's what it is. You yourself engage in propaganda. You don't prove your point either, you just want to sit here and insult the protesters and pretend this case is actually about them. It's not. The barricades were already down in that area, the protest more contained to a local area (I like how we have to "contain" protest these days; nothing like caging freedom). Maybe this dude's cafe just sucks. We don't know. What we do know is that the same partisan hacks who have been hacking it up during the OWS wouldn't let this go unheard and have used it for another propaganda attack against OWS.
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Why is it a "propaganda attack" rather than just voicing an opinion? Who is "caging freedom"? Is that another example of "propaganda"?

It's obvious which people have actually taken interest and have tried to figure out what OWS was up to and those who are just partisan hacks and only want to insult it and the people in it. The latter group should mostly be ignored, but unfortunately jerks tend to be the loudest group.
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Many are trying to figure out what OWS are up to but it seems most of these people cannot go beyond their cliches or what they want done. Though they might be well intentioned, they are obviously not very bright.
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Ikari said:
There's quite a bit that appeals to intellect if one really wanted to look at the system honestly. But if you can't look at the system honestly and can only be a biased partisan hack, then you'll never be able to understand the interesting dynamics and goals and thoughts of the protesters.
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There has been appeal to the intellect and if there were we could be discussing that right now. Bur you cannot seriously articulate their message, nor can I. They want to stop Wall Street corruption? Great! Let´s do it.

Anything else?
 
Thunder said:
how many biased anti-OWS threads are you going to make today?
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what does this have to do with discussing the OP? So what is your take on the OWS impact on the Cafe business?
 
Many are trying to figure out what OWS are up to
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There is no organized point of the OWS movement. People are joining it for random reasons or because they are mad about being broke (many by thier own faults but not all)

Though they might be well intentioned, they are obviously not very bright.
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They are a bunch of individuals and thats the problem. I am sure many are bright and many aren't. They need to organize, decide what they are fighting for, and do it legally.
 
If I had a business, and it was severely damaged and on the brink of shutting down because of the OWS occupations, I would think that person and those who sympathize with him/her have a valid reason to express their opinions. Using a qualizfier, I dislike how some of the OWS are acting like complete idiots.
 
mike2810 said:
....So what is your take on the OWS impact on the Cafe business?
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I don't know enough details to comment either way.

what is the location of the business? how far away were the closest barriers?

maybe this prick is just scapegoating OWS for his poor customer-service skills or poor quality goods.
 
Thunder said:
I don't know enough details to comment either way.

what is the location of the business? how far away were the closest barriers?

maybe this prick is just scapegoating OWS for his poor customer-service skills or poor quality goods.
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yet you knew enough to ask how many more anti ows threads were going to be created.
So basically, you dislike any threads that link to articles that put a bad light on the ows movement (my opinion).,
Got it.
 
muciti said:
There is no organized point of the OWS movement. People are joining it for random reasons or because they are mad about being broke (many by thier own faults but not all)



They are a bunch of individuals and thats the problem. I am sure many are bright and many aren't. They need to organize, decide what they are fighting for, and do it legally.
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Anyone who camps out on the streets and doesn't quite know why they are there is obviously not too bright.
 
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