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    Re: Fukushima fuel rods may have completely melted

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Previously, the firm had said that only some of the fuel had burned through its inner pressure vessel and dropped into the containment vessel.
    "Almost no fuel remains at its original position," Tepco said. The simulation shows that the fuel may have penetrated the concrete floor by up to 65cm, just 37cm from the reactor's outer steel wall.
    Tepco said that about 60% of the fuel in the two other reactors that experienced meltdown had dropped onto the concrete base, but had caused less damage.

    Fukushima fuel rods may have completely melted | World news | guardian.co.uk

    "Decommissioning will take 30 years" and where will the decommissioned waste from Daiichi 1, 2, and 4 actually go? And what about the water being contaminated on a daily basis? Is the ocean that large to contain it? Does it seem like all these Nuclear "geniuses" designing, planning, organizing, constructing and operating either have a screw loose or can't recognize human fallibility? Do any nuclear plants have a fail safe cooling system like an uphill lake, biomass steam generated power supply to pump coolant, or what? If huge solar flares cause power failures on a National level, what is the backup? If EMP device is detonated, what is the backup? Is insanity endemic in the Nuclear Industry?
    I think what he's saying is an understatement: the only thing keeping this from being labeled as another full fledged meltdown is because they're keeping quite.

    Well - I've been considering it a full fledged meltdown for MONTHS regardless of what they 'say' has or hasn't happened. By lying and hiding: they save their selves a bit . . . by being fully truthful: they only hurt their selves.
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    Re: Fukushima fuel rods may have completely melted

    The "ONLY" reason for nuclear power plants is that they plug into the existing distribution grid. It is not Green. It is not clean. It is not safe. OTOH it will keep the status quo of big money and the controllers of the distribution network in the big money. The only way to have efficient power is to generate it locally and collect any waste heat generated in the process for heating water for home heating or A/C or potable water. This also makes jobs at a local level. This also keeps money in the community where it is installed. This could reduce petrochemical pollutants by a factor of 8. It would also reduce demand for OIL and Gas to perhaps 13% of current levels. It cuts big money out of the loop and that is why it is not implemented. We have Corporate control of our gov't. Am I identifying the problem with sufficient clarity? I am always willing to repeat myself using different words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You are exposed to more radiation by your local coal power plant than you would have been living in Tokyo.
    Where do you come up with this nonsense?!?

    Are you able to quantify this assertion?

    I can assure you that mox fuel is FAR MORE DEADLY than coal exhaust.

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    Re: Fukushima fuel rods may have completely melted

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Where do you come up with this nonsense?!?

    Are you able to quantify this assertion?

    I can assure you that mox fuel is FAR MORE DEADLY than coal exhaust.
    People are raely exposed to Mox fuels in dangerous quantities. I'd rather live next to a coal plant or work in a coal mine than stand next to a melting reactor. This ignores the fact that the dangers of nuclear energy come about very rarely, while coal plants are always dirtying our air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    People are raely exposed to Mox fuels in dangerous quantities. I'd rather live next to a coal plant or work in a coal mine than stand next to a melting reactor. This ignores the fact that the dangers of nuclear energy come about very rarely, while coal plants are always dirtying our air.
    For sure, but the statement was directly that coal puts off more radiation than Fukushima radiation spread to Tokyo. From a person that has been made fully aware of the discussions of potentially evacuating Tokyo as a result of the radiation.

    Now, more direct to your point; in terms of exhaust from coal plants, in north America coal plants have such a high level of filtration that all that is left is only water vapor and co2... And since co2 is a nutrient, a nutrient that is deficient in our atmosphere, there is ultimately far less concerns... Especially when the comparison is between coal and a MELTED DOWN nuke plant.

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    Re: Fukushima fuel rods may have completely melted

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The "ONLY" reason for nuclear power plants is that they plug into the existing distribution grid. It is not Green. It is not clean. It is not safe. OTOH it will keep the status quo of big money and the controllers of the distribution network in the big money. The only way to have efficient power is to generate it locally and collect any waste heat generated in the process for heating water for home heating or A/C or potable water. This also makes jobs at a local level. This also keeps money in the community where it is installed. This could reduce petrochemical pollutants by a factor of 8. It would also reduce demand for OIL and Gas to perhaps 13% of current levels. It cuts big money out of the loop and that is why it is not implemented. We have Corporate control of our gov't. Am I identifying the problem with sufficient clarity? I am always willing to repeat myself using different words.
    Actually: "The "ONLY" reason for nuclear power plants is that they . . . " are directly tied to our efforts to develop nuclear weapons and harness support for such.
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    Re: Fukushima fuel rods may have completely melted

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Where do you come up with this nonsense?!?

    Are you able to quantify this assertion?

    I can assure you that mox fuel is FAR MORE DEADLY than coal exhaust.
    then do so, please...
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    Re: Fukushima fuel rods may have completely melted

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The "ONLY" reason for nuclear power plants is that they plug into the existing distribution grid. It is not Green. It is not clean. It is not safe. OTOH it will keep the status quo of big money and the controllers of the distribution network in the big money. The only way to have efficient power is to generate it locally and collect any waste heat generated in the process for heating water for home heating or A/C or potable water. This also makes jobs at a local level. This also keeps money in the community where it is installed. This could reduce petrochemical pollutants by a factor of 8. It would also reduce demand for OIL and Gas to perhaps 13% of current levels. It cuts big money out of the loop and that is why it is not implemented. We have Corporate control of our gov't. Am I identifying the problem with sufficient clarity? I am always willing to repeat myself using different words.
    Nope, NO, nyet, etc.
    How does nuclear reduce our need for oil? Nuclear is pretty much good for only one thing, making electricity. Very little electricity is generated by burning oil, less than 3%. It was much higher in the days of the Carter administration. He helped get rid of them...
    We have multiple methods of generating electricity, that part of our energy needs can be easily met.

    OIL for transportation fuel is our main energy issue, and nukes will have very little impact on our need for oil, gasoline, diesel, natural gas, etc.
    The primary impact that nukes make is the making of base load electricity with practically zero emissions due to operations. Coal is also a base load fuel but it is dirty. Natural gas is the next cleanest, and is ideal for peaking plants or even base load in smaller population densities.
    Solar and wind are not alternatives to either peaking or base load, they are supplements.
    Big money is required because big power plants are expensive. Free enterprise means we allow profit, it is the American way.
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    Re: Fukushima fuel rods may have completely melted

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    For sure, but the statement was directly that coal puts off more radiation than Fukushima radiation spread to Tokyo. From a person that has been made fully aware of the discussions of potentially evacuating Tokyo as a result of the radiation.

    Now, more direct to your point; in terms of exhaust from coal plants, in north America coal plants have such a high level of filtration that all that is left is only water vapor and co2... And since co2 is a nutrient, a nutrient that is deficient in our atmosphere, there is ultimately far less concerns... Especially when the comparison is between coal and a MELTED DOWN nuke plant.
    again, no, please do some research. Scrubbers, bag houses, etc. at coal plants are not that efficient. Coal is not pure, it has radioactive elements in it that exit the coal stack and get into our air, along with sulphur, mercury, and a lot of other nasty stuff. Then there is all the ash that has to be hauled away and stored somewhere.
    The only nice thing about coal is that we have so much of it...
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    Re: Fukushima fuel rods may have completely melted

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    For sure, but the statement was directly that coal puts off more radiation than Fukushima radiation spread to Tokyo. From a person that has been made fully aware of the discussions of potentially evacuating Tokyo as a result of the radiation.
    Who cares about just radiation? There are many other things that can kill. Also, I'd like to see evidence pointing to the chances of an evacuation of Tokyo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Now, more direct to your point; in terms of exhaust from coal plants, in north America coal plants have such a high level of filtration that all that is left is only water vapor and co2... And since co2 is a nutrient, a nutrient that is deficient in our atmosphere, there is ultimately far less concerns... Especially when the comparison is between coal and a MELTED DOWN nuke plant.
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