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    Justice Dept. details how it got statements wrong

    WASHINGTON (AP) The Justice Department on Friday provided Congress with documents detailing how department officials gave inaccurate information to a U.S. senator in the controversy surrounding Operation Fast and Furious, the flawed law enforcement initiative aimed at dismantling major arms trafficking networks on the Southwest border.
    In a letter last February to Charles Grassley, the ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, the Justice Department said that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms had not sanctioned the sale of assault weapons to a straw purchaser and that the agency makes every effort to intercept weapons that have been purchased illegally. In Operation Fast and Furious, both statements turned out to be incorrect.
    The Justice Department letter was responding to Grassley's statements that the Senate Judiciary Committee had received allegations the ATF had sanctioned the sale of hundreds of assault weapons to suspected straw purchasers. Grassley also said there were allegations that two of the assault weapons had been used in a shootout that killed customs agent Brian Terry.
    In an email four days later to Justice Department colleagues, then-U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke in Phoenix said that "Grassley's assertions regarding the Arizona investigation and the weapons recovered" at the "murder scene are based on categorical falsehoods. I worry that ATF will take 8 months to answer this when they should be refuting its underlying accusations right now." That email marked the start of an internal debate in the Justice Department over what and how much to say in response to Grassley's allegations. The fact that there was an ongoing criminal investigation into Terry's murder prompted some at the Justice Department to argue for less disclosure.

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    While everyone toasts the questionable unemployment revision out today, behind the scenes we have a corrupt Dept. of Justice that is actively misleading congress, and carrying out a cover up that makes Water Gate look like childs play.

    But, I guess it's all good considering that the people doing the covering up all have (D) following their names....Thank God for that eh? Otherwise this might be a scandal.....

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    Re: Justice Dept. details how it got statements wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    While everyone toasts the questionable unemployment revision out today, behind the scenes we have a corrupt Dept. of Justice that is actively misleading congress, and carrying out a cover up that makes Water Gate look like childs play.
    Let us know when you have a story that actually back that up, because that would be news.

    BTW - when they fired all those lawyers under W., was that also corrupt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Let us know when you have a story that actually back that up, because that would be news.

    BTW - when they fired all those lawyers under W., was that also corrupt?
    How does that rate to the Justice Department lying to a congressional inquiry?

    Here's a link to NPR, just to avoid anymore, "liar! liar! pants on fire!", responses.

    Justice Withdraws Inaccurate 'Fast And Furious' Letter It Sent To Congress : The Two-Way : NPR
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    the AJ should fire lanny breuer; then Obama should fire the AJ
    nothing less should be found acceptable
    they knew they were deceiving the congress
    stupid action. Obama should fire the stupid people behind it
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    Re: Justice Dept. details how it got statements wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    While everyone toasts the questionable unemployment revision out today, behind the scenes we have a corrupt Dept. of Justice that is actively misleading congress, and carrying out a cover up that makes Water Gate look like childs play.

    But, I guess it's all good considering that the people doing the covering up all have (D) following their names....Thank God for that eh? Otherwise this might be a scandal.....

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    A question.


    This info was likely brought to us by some solid journalism, usually through the use of a "source", or, to put it in other terms, a WHISTLE BLOWER.


    Would THIS be one of those times where it's OK to disobey orders, and divulge classified info? Just curious where you folks draw the line...
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Justice Dept. details how it got statements wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    A question.


    This info was likely brought to us by some solid journalism, usually through the use of a "source", or, to put it in other terms, a WHISTLE BLOWER.


    Would THIS be one of those times where it's OK to disobey orders, and divulge classified info? Just curious where you folks draw the line...
    the story wasn't brought to us by a whistleblower.

    correction, it was brought to us by a whistleblower....he blew the whistle to his superiors, who hid the operation and hid him in a closet doing menial.. and then he blew the whistle to congress during their investigation
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    Re: Justice Dept. details how it got statements wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    the story wasn't brought to us by a whistleblower.

    correction, it was brought to us by a whistleblower....he blew the whistle to his superiors, who hid the operation and hid him in a closet doing menial.. and then he blew the whistle to congress during their investigation
    Let's go to hypothetical land, and pretend he blew his whistle to someone outside of government.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Let us know when you have a story that actually back that up, because that would be news.

    BTW - when they fired all those lawyers under W., was that also corrupt?
    Topic isn't Dubya, and there is a difference, a significant one, between "Fast and Furious" and his similar-in-some-ways initiative.

    Holder should never have been the AG, and he's busted now. No tears from me. Although his ouster, for which I hope, will be only cosmetic surgery, I'm eager for his tossing. He should NEVER have held his position, and he's proven himself duplicitous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Let's go to hypothetical land, and pretend he blew his whistle to someone outside of government.
    well.. just going and blabbing to someone outside of government will put you on my wrong side rather quickly.... and you'll give up most of your protections as a result.

    it's protected to whistleblow directly to congress.. and to a quite a few different agencies
    US office of special counsel is relevant to government workers, OSHA is relevant to non-government workers.. and there are other agencies that also regulate whistle-blowing... lots of them ,actually. ( too many, in fact.. as is usually the case with government)

    this particular whistleblower let loose at a congressional hearing... after he tried to do the right thing within his own agency and was treated like a red headed step child because of it... the ATF actively and purposefully covered the operation up, the DOJ outright lied to Congress about the operation...
    and the kicker is, nothing will be done about it.

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