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    Re: Seattle Reverses Ban on “Buy American”

    If union workers were willing to accept a 30 to 40 percent pay cut, we could keep these jobs in the US.

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    Re: Seattle Reverses Ban on “Buy American”

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    If union workers were willing to accept a 30 to 40 percent pay cut, we could keep these jobs in the US.
    This doesn't have squat to do with unions.If it did then all those outsourced companies would have simply moved to right to work states where unions are not a big problem. What is the problem is that tariffs were lowered to a degree that is extremely more profitable to pay a worker next to nothing to make something in another country and import it here. They outsourced to China and other countries because they can pay workers next to nothing,not because them thar big e-vile unions. They would need more than a 30-40% pay cut. A Chinese workers makes around $75 to $120 per month for 80 hours a week. What kind of pay cut would they have to take in order to compete with someone who works 80 hours a week to make 75$-120$ a month?
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    Re: Seattle Reverses Ban on “Buy American”

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    If union workers were willing to accept a 30 to 40 percent pay cut, we could keep these jobs in the US.
    Union workers account for 11.4% of the US work force. Why are they the ones who need to take a pay cut?
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    Re: Seattle Reverses Ban on “Buy American”

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    If union workers were willing to accept a 30 to 40 percent pay cut, we could keep these jobs in the US.
    How about you johnny? Are you willing to take your own advice and be the model taking your place first in line for that 40% pay cut?
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    Re: Seattle Reverses Ban on “Buy American”

    A stiff Tariff would be better.

    Learn the Tariff

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    Re: Seattle Reverses Ban on “Buy American”

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Union workers account for 11.4% of the US work force. Why are they the ones who need to take a pay cut?
    Uh oh the big bad Unions. Fallback position for the Anarcho-Capitalists. They're jumping back into the trenches, chase them with bayonets fixed.

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    Re: Seattle Reverses Ban on “Buy American”

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Governments are picking winners and losers with tariffs by distorting incentives
    I want a government that picks Americans as winners and the Chinese as losers. What traitor would want otherwise?

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    Re: Seattle Reverses Ban on “Buy American”

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Honestly, James you're comments are flying in the face of over 200 years of almost universally accepted economic data. A few economists support small amounts of protectionism, but none of them have eviscerated the laws of economics quite like you have.
    Economics is the worse "science" sub-profession known to mankind. Every single market high and low, recession and boom, is a total surprise to these professional "Economist" jokers.

    This isn't a "science", it's a scam.

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    Re: Seattle Reverses Ban on “Buy American”

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Ever heard of a production possibilities frontier? It's how much a person, firm, region, or country can produce. We have to face trade-offs when we make things. That's literally the main premise of economics. There are limits to what the Americans or any other group of people can do. There are only so many hours of labor, capital available, and minds to think. Otherwise the discussion about tariffs would be moot. This is the entire point of free trade. Say country A can produce 50 million lbs of rice or 60 million lbs of beef. Country B can produce 80 million lbs of rice or 70 million lbs of beef. If both countries had tariffs they would each be limited to a greater extent. However, without tariffs country A could produce beef and country B could produce rice. Since each can specialize they have more overall production. Think about it, you probably aren't as good at doing a particular thing when you are multitasking, but when you can focus, you are probably a lot better at it.
    Why do Free Traders always use raw material examples like Rice, Beef, Sugar, Coal, Oil. Of course some countries have more raw material resources than others, any retard knows this.

    We protectionists aren't talking about RAW MATERIALS, we're talking about value added goods.

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    Re: Seattle Reverses Ban on “Buy American”

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    China has 1,339,724,852 people. They are not going to hurt if we stop buying their goods.
    Well actually. If we suddenly stopped buying Chinese goods, than Chinese ports would suddenly fill up and the Chinese wouldn't have an option but to dump all their crap in Europe at even cheaper prices. This would rapidly kill about 50 million more jobs in Europe and then the Europeans would also cut trade with China, or else they starve.

    Then the entire Chinese economy would crash and they'd be back to farming rice. The entire economy in China is based on exports to the 1st world, without it they have nothing, it's totally artificial and China's population is too poor to be the new consumer base for what it produces.

    1,339,724,852 earning pennies an hour cannot afford what they produce, just like a slave cannot afford what they pick.

    Slavery requires international Free Trade to operate. The slave cannot afford what it manufactures, and the master wants luxuries a slave cannot produce; in China's case the master is the Chinese Army which wants weapons technologies (luxuries).

    In essence Free Traders are working for the Chinese Army, and whoever the Chinese Army kills in a future war will be on their heads.
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