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    Re: Seattle Reverses Ban on “Buy American”

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If China can make steel more cost efficiently than we could, but we restrict or artificially raise the cost of their steel, then domestic firms would have to spend more for the same product or have to buy steel from a more expensive domestic firm.
    Thus rolling the unnecessary increased cost into the item, requiring consumers to pay more for the same product, all the satisfy the whims of some economic illiterates.



    Incorrect.
    Artificially raising prices and bailing out domestic businesses is still wrong.
    Imposing tariffs does not bail out business, it levels the playing field so that American businesses can actually compete with out drastically cutting corners on the products they make.This encourages manufacturing in the US.
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    Re: Seattle Reverses Ban on “Buy American”

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Imposing tariffs does not bail out business, it levels the playing field so that American businesses can actually compete with out drastically cutting corners on the products they make.This encourages manufacturing in the US.
    Americans can easily level the playing field though technology, a better educated work force, exploiting their natural resources, reducing debt and balancing their budget, gaining control of unions, greater States rights and more competition between States, streamlining taxes, and removing some of the strangling regulations that inhibit Americans from competing.

    It is not foreign competition that is damaging America, it is America itself.

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    Re: Seattle Reverses Ban on “Buy American”

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Americans can easily level the playing field though technology,
    Anything that can be produced in the US can be exported.Anything that can be communicated over a phone can be outsourced. I am surprised school haven't replaced teachers with foreign teachers teaching from Skype.

    a better educated work force, exploiting their natural resources, reducing debt and balancing their budget, gaining control of unions,greater States rights and more competition between States, streamlining taxes, and removing some of the strangling regulations that inhibit Americans from competing.
    Doing these things will not change the fact that you can pay workers in other countries next to nothing.

    It is not foreign competition that is damaging America, it is America itself.
    Is is politicians sticking their tongues up the assholes of business to toss their salad for votes that is damaging this county.Its why jobs outsourced left and right.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Seattle Reverses Ban on “Buy American”

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post

    Is is politicians sticking their tongues up the assholes of business to toss their salad for votes that is damaging this county.Its why jobs outsourced left and right.
    This is just another example of why Americans have to completely overhaul their educational system. This low level of response is not a one off but has become commonplace among far too many Americans.

    How can Americans compete with anyone when they are turning out people like this?

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    Re: Seattle Reverses Ban on “Buy American”

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You make that sound like it is a bad thing.We should make our own goods.
    For the reasons that I brought up, we should only make what our own goods to the extent that it is efficient to do so.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Seeing how people all across the US had to take lower paying jobs and we have a high unemployment rate, those lower wage jobs will not be missed.
    If unemployment or low wages is the problem, why don't we just pay people to dig up holes and fill them back up again?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Not even comparable.
    They are essentially the same thing. Both you and the country would be forced to do everything by yourselves. America's production possibilities have a limit. Free trade helps us expand this limit and produce more things. In attacking free trade, you attack some of the most basic capitalist principles that you claim to support.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Because ours is shrinking.
    Statistics about income inequality and the "destruction of the middle class" are often very misleading and don't give us the full picture. Even if we do ignore this argument, the increasing gulf between rich and poor has very little to do with outsourcing. Outsourcing has not really affected wages or unemployment that much in the past 30 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    We should not lift other countries out of poverty at the expense of Americans.
    It isn't at our expense. It's to our mutual benefit
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    Re: Seattle Reverses Ban on “Buy American”

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Imposing tariffs does not bail out business, it levels the playing field so that American businesses can actually compete with out drastically cutting corners on the products they make.This encourages manufacturing in the US.
    What do you think tariffs do? They direct money toward businesses that wouldn't have it without state intervention. If that's not a bailout, what is?
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    Re: Seattle Reverses Ban on “Buy American”

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Not to rain on your parade boys but since when is protectionism a "conservative" value? Whatever happened to free trade, supply and demand, and the invisible hand?
    Whoa - Just asking Americans to buy American is protectionism? Please explain. I happen to call it job creation if Americans decide to make a CHOICE to buy American.
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    Re: Seattle Reverses Ban on “Buy American”

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Imposing tariffs does not bail out business, it levels the playing field so that American businesses can actually compete with out drastically cutting corners on the products they make.This encourages manufacturing in the US.
    The U.S. already has an overt advantage in most other areas, so it's not leveling anything, in fact quite the opposite.
    Americans in general are better educated, healthier, richer, etc. than most Chinese.

    In this instance, it's just a bailout of American businesses, who can't compete.
    Those inferior sheep need to "culled."
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    Re: Seattle Reverses Ban on “Buy American”

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Whoa - Just asking Americans to buy American is protectionism? Please explain. I happen to call it job creation if Americans decide to make a CHOICE to buy American.
    Yes that is entirely protectionism.
    You're robbing Peter to pay Paul, whilst calling it "job creation."

    Jobs are a means, not an end to themselves.
    People and businesses need to being doing things that are productive towards humanity, within their greatest benefit and in the most efficient way.
    Cutting off efficiencies, just to employ Americans in certain sectors is inefficient and unproductive.
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    Re: Seattle Reverses Ban on “Buy American”

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This is just another example of why Americans have to completely overhaul their educational system. This low level of response is not a one off but has become commonplace among far too many Americans.

    How can Americans compete with anyone when they are turning out people like this?
    How can American companies compete against those in China that pay their workers 33 and half cents an hour for 80 hours a week? You seem to ignore this fact. All the education in the world will not prevent a company from outsourcing.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 12-06-11 at 09:44 PM.
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