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    Re: Seattle Reverses Ban on “Buy American”

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I disagree with that.If they increased tariffs on imported goods to make them competitive with American made goods people will start buying more American goods. Only a fool thinks American companies can compete with foreign companies that pay their workers 33 cents an hour and require them to work 80 hours a week.
    This is exactly how I feel about it. It angers me that the US continues to make trade agreements with countries that we cannot compete with. When we make a trade agreement with a country where their average citizen only makes $4K US equivalent annually, how many goods are we going to sell in relation to how many they will sell here?

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    Re: Seattle Reverses Ban on “Buy American”

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    This is exactly how I feel about it. It angers me that the US continues to make trade agreements with countries that we cannot compete with. When we make a trade agreement with a country where their average citizen only makes $4K US equivalent annually, how many goods are we going to sell in relation to how many they will sell here?
    Yes, but those trade agreements are great for those who own large companies and corporations. Sure, the individual American it isn't good for us. Main street gets punished for these sorts of free trade agreements; it's Wallstreet that profits. and it is Wallstreet to whom our government is beholden.
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    Re: Seattle Reverses Ban on “Buy American”

    Yep, no one on mainstreet has ever reaped any benefit what so ever due to the various trade agreements that have been in place which have lead to an influx of extremely cheap items for sale....

    ...also, I have apparently imagined the legions of people entering into Walmarts on a daily basis scooping up clothes, house hold items, toys, food, and other things for low prices which allows them to buy more of what they need. Either that or they're all actually CEO's, just proving that even CEO's can have really, really bad butt cracks.

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    Re: Seattle Reverses Ban on “Buy American”

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    Yep, no one on mainstreet has ever reaped any benefit what so ever due to the various trade agreements that have been in place which have lead to an influx of extremely cheap items for sale....

    ...also, I have apparently imagined the legions of people entering into Walmarts on a daily basis scooping up clothes, house hold items, toys, food, and other things for low prices which allows them to buy more of what they need. Either that or they're all actually CEO's, just proving that even CEO's can have really, really bad butt cracks.
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    Re: Seattle Reverses Ban on “Buy American”

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yep, no one on mainstreet has ever reaped any benefit what so ever due to the various trade agreements that have been in place which have lead to an influx of extremely cheap items for sale....

    ...also, I have apparently imagined the legions of people entering into Walmarts on a daily basis scooping up clothes, house hold items, toys, food, and other things for low prices which allows them to buy more of what they need. Either that or they're all actually CEO's, just proving that even CEO's can have really, really bad butt cracks.
    This causes a short term (in greater scheme of things) increase in "wealth" for your average citizen but can have devastating long term affects. Once our own manufacturing sector loses its ability to compete and a large number business goes over seas (we are in the middle of now) we will lose jobs, income, and our wealth moves overseas. What we have now other countries will have tomorrow and Americas hay day will be over. This is one of the flaws of man, we largely look at today and ourselves and strive to gain what we can now at the expense of future generations.

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    Re: Seattle Reverses Ban on “Buy American”

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    This causes a short term (in greater scheme of things) increase in "wealth" for your average citizen but can have devastating long term affects. Once our own manufacturing sector loses its ability to compete and a large number business goes over seas (we are in the middle of now) we will lose jobs, income, and our wealth moves overseas. What we have now other countries will have tomorrow and Americas hay day will be over. This is one of the flaws of man, we largely look at today and ourselves and strive to gain what we can now at the expense of future generations.
    By and large I agree, but to suggest mainstream "doesn't profit" from it is absurd and just incorrect. You could suggest mainstreet won't profit in the long run, or that ultimately it will hurt the mainstreet of tomorrow even if it helps the mainstreet of today. But at this point, mainstreet absolutely is profitting at least to some degree off of these type of agreements and this atmosphere, with some of them potentially being long gone before the significant negatives that outweigh those benefits to them begin to become reality.

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    Re: Seattle Reverses Ban on “Buy American”

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    This causes a short term (in greater scheme of things) increase in "wealth" for your average citizen but can have devastating long term affects. Once our own manufacturing sector loses its ability to compete and a large number business goes over seas (we are in the middle of now) we will lose jobs, income, and our wealth moves overseas. What we have now other countries will have tomorrow and Americas hay day will be over. This is one of the flaws of man, we largely look at today and ourselves and strive to gain what we can now at the expense of future generations.
    Automation is making other countries potential hay day, largely non existent.
    As technology improves, other job sectors are opened up.

    There is no fixed sector for lots of jobs, which is the whole problem with protectionism.
    It totally ignores progress and assumes that there are fixed number of jobs needed for a specific sector, that are taken and that specific job sector will forever remain the same, which isn't true.
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    Re: Seattle Reverses Ban on “Buy American”

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    The only problem with that is, the countries we increase the terrifs on, will retaliate by increasing the terrifs on American goods they import. That in turn will hurt American companies that export goods over seas.
    Seeing how we are in trade deficit is that really a problem? Its like going no please do not raise the price on goods you don't really purchase. For the amount of goods and value we import from China does China import same amount of goods and value from us? Tariffs should on imported goods should vary depending on what country those goods are from.
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    Re: Seattle Reverses Ban on “Buy American”

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Seeing how we are in trade deficit is that really a problem? Its like going no please do not raise the price on goods you don't really purchase. For what we get from China does China get that same amount from us?
    It doesn't matter.
    You're too focused on this.

    China sells a lot of to us, at a loss to themselves.
    It's a benefit to us.
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    Re: Seattle Reverses Ban on “Buy American”

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It is patriotic to support American businesses by buying American.A lot of conservatives are patriotic. Contrary to what a lot of globalist scum
    republicans believe there is more to patriotism than just waving a flag and saying I support the troops.

    Only "buying American" doesn't help the US economy or job growth nearly a much as comparative advantage.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I don't claim to support free trade. Imported goods should have tariffs high enough to allow American companies the ability to compete fairly.
    What would you consider "fair"? How is cheaper labor any different than a thousand different ways that businesses use to compete.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Companies should not be given any advantage because they choose to export to their labor to foreign companies that pay their workers 33 cents an hour to for for 80 hours a week.
    Tariffs help some groups but hurt far more people, both in other countries and America. I get to pay less for what I want. This allows me to both spend more money on other things. Workers and capital can go to where they are most efficient, because not all of America's production has to go toward producing every single thing that American consumers need or want. Finally, the foreign worker gets to leave his subsistence farming job where he makes less than a dollar a day to making an income that pales in comparison to Western standards but is far better than what he had.
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