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U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

Conservative said:
The record that matters is jobs and debt on both he fails.
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oh, so foreign policy victories are irrelevent?

legislative victories are irrelevent?

the performance of the stock market is irrelevent?

looks like you see what you want to see...and ignore what you don't.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
You're speaking to the wrong crowd about that ... it's the right that will have to decide if they will vote for a Mormon for president, for if Romney is to become president, he will need their votes to achieve that.

I imagine there are a lot of Christian Conservatives who will not cast their vote for someone who believes G-d was once a man on another planet.
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Do you feel it's "the right" who is attacking Romney because of his religion?

I know there are a few goofy leftists on this board who think a person's religion important but no one on the right as far as I can tell.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
At the time you voted to give Bush 4 more years, his debt was growing at 600,000,000,000 a year

That was a major fail.

You voted for him anyway. Those are your standards.

At the time you voted to give Bush 4 more years, the unemployment rate rose 31% from 4.2% to 5.5% as 1.2 million private sector jobs were lost

That too was a major fail.

You voted for him anyway. Those are your standards.

Now you whine about the standards of others. Meanwhile, you didn't answer ... are you going to vote for a serial wife cheater next year if Newt wins the GOP nomination? Are those your standards?
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Do you really think it matters who I voted for in 2004 when the option was John Kerry? LOL, you really are quite funny. I would take the Bush record in a heart beat over the Obama record this stage in his Administration. Bush had an economic policy in place, Obama has none. Doesn't really matter to you, does it? Bush tax cuts were fully implemented in July 2003. What is the Obama economic plan?
 
Grant said:
Apparently you don't get the point.

I'm talking about people we can actually address and confront about this ignorance, not someone far removed from our debates.

Are trying trying to make the point that some Republicans are as ignorant as Democrats? I wont argue that, but the Left seems to wear it on their sleeves..
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It is my opinion that both the left and right are guilty of the current economic chrises in America.

Now, each party can blame the other as much as they want, but the truth remains there is blame to be shared by both.
For both parties either directly or indirectly are at fault .
It is sad that neither party knows the word RESPONSIBILITY ,perhaps they both should look it up, find out what it means.:peace
 
Thunder said:
oh, so foreign policy victories are irrelevent?

legislative victories are irrelevent?

the performance of the stock market is irrelevent?

looks like you see what you want to see...and ignore what you don't.
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What legislative victories have made things better for the American taxpayer and the U.S. Economy?
 
Grant said:
Do you feel it's "the right" who is attacking Romney because of his religion?

I know there are a few goofy leftists on this board who think a person's religion important but no one on the right as far as I can tell.
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I believe people from the left, middle, and right will hold that against him ...

Would not vote for a Mormon for president:

Republican: 18%
Independent: 19%
Democrat: 27%

In U.S., 22% Are Hesitant to Support a Mormon in 2012

That begs the question, can Romney beat Obama giving up that many votes due to his religion?
 
Conservative said:
Do you really think it matters who I voted for in 2004 when the option was John Kerry?
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Of course it matters when you're complaining daily about Liberals voting for Obama with his record, yet you voted for Bush with an abysmal record. It's called hypocrisy and you reek from it.

Conservative said:
LOL, you really are quite funny. I would take the Bush record in a heart beat over the Obama record this stage in his Administration. Bush had an economic policy in place, Obama has none. Doesn't really matter to you, does it? Bush tax cuts were fully implemented in July 2003. What is the Obama economic plan?
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Bush's economic policy at this point drove unemployment up 1.6 points compared to Obama's 0.8 points.

And how come you won't answer my question ... ?

Are you going to vote for a man who cheated on 2 of his 3 wives for president next year if Newt wins the GOP nomination? Are those your standards?
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Of course it matters when you're complaining daily about Liberals voting for Obama with his record, yet you voted for Bush with an abysmal record. It's called hypocrisy and you reek from it.


Bush's economic policy at this point drove unemployment up 1.6 points compared to Obama's 0.8 points.

And how come you won't answer my question ... ?

Are you going to vote for a man who cheated on 2 of his 3 wives for president next year if Newt wins the GOP nomination? Are those your standards?
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Percentage change at this level means nothing. The total unemployed are real people and that is over 14 million with millions more under employed. Those are the numbers that matter, not the percentage no matter how you spin it
 
Conservative said:
A victory would be described as something that benefited the economy so no you haven't named any
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His stimulus ... according to you, that saved/created 3½ million jobs.


"Don't you just love the Obama results? 15 million unemployed, 3.5 trillion added to the debt, 821 billion stimulus program that created or "saved" jobs that cost the taxpayer $228,000 each. Those are the results "your" President generated and why he got shellacked in 2010." ~ Conservative
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
His stimulus ... according to you, that saved/created 3½ million jobs.


"Don't you just love the Obama results? 15 million unemployed, 3.5 trillion added to the debt, 821 billion stimulus program that created or "saved" jobs that cost the taxpayer $228,000 each. Those are the results "your" President generated and why he got shellacked in 2010." ~ Conservative
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According to BLS we have a net job loss and fewer people in the labor force than when Obama took office.
 
Conservative said:
Percentage change at this level means nothing. The total unemployed are real people and that is over 14 million with millions more under employed. Those are the numbers that matter, not the percentage no matter how you spin it
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When Bush started, there were 6 million total unemployed ... by the time you voted to give him 4 more years, there were 9 million unemployed -- an increase of 3 million unemployed.

When Bush left office, there were 13 million unemployed -- an increase of 7 million.

Under Obama, there are now 14 million -- an increase of 1 million.

Bush adds 3 million total unemployed...

Conservative: "Four more years!! Four more years!!"

Obama adds 1 million total unemployed...

Conservative: "Put Bush back!! Put Bush back!!"
 
Conservative said:
According to BLS we have a net job loss and fewer people in the labor force than when Obama took office.
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You asked for a legislative victory which helped the economy and you were given one.

Because you can't deal with it, you again move the goal posts. :roll:

And the loss in the labor force is because we've hit the age of retiring baby boomers; and it's only going to get worse over the next decade no matter who the president is as some 75 million baby boomers will be retiring between 2008 and 2028.
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
When Bush started, there were 6 million total unemployed ... by the time you voted to give him 4 more years, there were 9 million unemployed -- an increase of 3 million unemployed.

When Bush left office, there were 13 million unemployed -- an increase of 7 million.

Under Obama, there are now 14 million -- an increase of 1 million.

Bush adds 3 million total unemployed...

Conservative: "Four more years!! Four more years!!"

Obama adds 1 million total unemployed...

Conservative: "Put Bush back!! Put Bush back!!"
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I didn't vote for the first four years of Obama and won't be voting for another four years either. The Obama record doesn't warrant it. it does appear that nothing is going to change your mind. There is nothing that obama has proposed economically that I support nor would any free enterprise capitalistic economy supporter. Waiting for the Obama economic policy that is going to turn this economy around. I didn't vote for Bush in 2008 but did in 2004 for obvious reasons, one that apparently you don't want to understand. Too bad
 
Conservative said:
A victory would be described as something that benefited the economy so no you haven't named any
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stock market up 5,000 points.

corporate profits at all-time high.

financial instution holdings at all-time high.

there ya go. the wealthy are kicking ass in the USA. nice for them.
 
Thunder said:
stock market up 5,000 points.

corporate profits at all-time high.

financial instution holdings at all-time high.

there ya go. the wealthy are kicking ass in the USA. nice for them.
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I wouldn't say "kicking ass"... Sitting on capital that could be working for them but instead is out of the market due to uncertainty is not a winning strategy.

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j-mac said:
I wouldn't say "kicking ass"... Sitting on capital that could be working for them but instead is out of the market due to uncertainty is not a winning strategy.

J-mac

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Uncertianty? Code for everything must be the fault of democrats. Fact is, business doesn't spend until people buy. It's as simple as that.
 
Boo Radley said:
Uncertianty? Code for everything must be the fault of democrats. Fact is, business doesn't spend until people buy. It's as simple as that.
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That's your strawman I didn't say anything about liberals. Consumer confidence is linked to healthy business directly. Chicken v. Egg

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j-mac said:
That's your strawman I didn't say anything about liberals. Consumer confidence is linked to healthy business directly. Chicken v. Egg

J-mac

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Please j, spare me. We know the code by now. ;)
 
Thunder said:
stock market up 5,000 points.

corporate profits at all-time high.

financial instution holdings at all-time high.

there ya go. the wealthy are kicking ass in the USA. nice for them.
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LOL, since when is a progressive happy about those evil corporations making money and the stock market up 5000 points? Were you that happy when it was 14000 under Bush?
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
I believe people from the left, middle, and right will hold that against him ...

Would not vote for a Mormon for president:

Republican: 18%
Independent: 19%
Democrat: 27%

In U.S., 22% Are Hesitant to Support a Mormon in 2012

That begs the question, can Romney beat Obama giving up that many votes due to his religion?
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If the American people are so stupid to not vote for the best candidate because of his or her religion then they deserve what they get. That sort of ignorance should not go unrewarded. It seems its the Left who has the most problems with a persons religion. In fact they often have problem with all forms of the Christian, and Jewish, religion.

But it's quite probably more a political issue than a religious issue with the Leftists. If they feel they can exploit a persons religion to advance their political goals they'll certainly do it. Isn't that true?
 
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