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U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

Boo Radley said:
I think you're the one having trouble. You are ignoring the facts and evidence presented, and often going off on distractions. The question is why?
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Those who have no real argument, but are slaves to ideology, will be the first go off on tangents so they do not look too foolish defending a weak position.
 
AdamT said:
Net private sector job creation: 140,000. That's how.
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The economy has to create a lot more than 140,000 just to keep even. The unemployment rate today is much higher than 8.6% and that is much higher than it was when he took office
 
You have to understand the problem, what was and wasnt done, what can be done by a president, and what really falls outside the ability of any president. You look at numbers mindlessly Conservative and lack context or understanding of what you read. And when cornered, resort to diversions. Not sure this conversation can be fruitful.
 
Goldenboy219 said:
Those who have no real argument, but are slaves to ideology, will be the first go off on tangents so they do not look too foolish defending a weak position.
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Sadly there is some truth to that.
 
Misterveritis said:
I believe we can safely assume that the one term Marxist president Obama will have your vote.
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I believe it is safe to assume that your post is irrelevant to the topic. Maybe you and conservative can start another thread where you can share your opinions in a relevant fashion.
 
Goldenboy219 said:
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Thanks, now let me know when there is a net private sector job gain from when he took office?

110.981 million private sector jobs January 2009 and 109.719 million in November 2011. Were you this excited about the 52 weeks of job growth during the Bush years?

2009 110981 110260 109473 108700 108374 107936 107649 107434 107221 106971 106937 106835
2010 106793 106772 106916 107145 107193 107258 107351 107461 107570 107713 107841 108008
2011 108102 108363 108582 108823 108922 108997 109170 109242 109462 109579 109719
 
Boo Radley said:
I think you're the one having trouble. You are ignoring the facts and evidence presented, and often going off on distractions. The question is why?
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Could be that you call your opinions and those of others facts
 
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Conservative said:
The economy has to create a lot more than 140,000 just to keep even. The unemployment rate today is much higher than 8.6% and that is much higher than it was when he took office
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Again.... The president does not make the hiring decisions for the private sector. If you are so upset about the numbers, take it up with those in the position to hire employees. They surely are not investing due to cost constraints.
 
Conservative said:
Could be that you call your opinions as fact
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Nope. Facts have been presented to you often by myself and others, as well as studies, analysis and context. You lack much of that.
 
Goldenboy219 said:
Again.... The president does not make the hiring decisions for the private sector. If you are so upset about the numbers, take it up with those in the position to hire employees. They surely are not investing due to cost constraints.
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Of course he doesn't but he creates the policies that discourage employment, i.e. healthcare which will cost small businesses a lot of money per employee
 
Boo Radley said:
Nope. Facts have been presented to you often by myself and others, as well as studies, analysis and context. You lack much of that.
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Nothing has refuted the actual Obama results including the 315,000 that dropped out of the labor force last month which distorted the unemployment rate
 
Conservative said:
Thanks, now let me know when there is a net private sector job gain from when he took office?

110.981 million private sector jobs January 2009 and 109.719 million in November 2011. Were you this excited about the 52 weeks of job growth during the Bush years?

2009 110981 110260 109473 108700 108374 107936 107649 107434 107221 106971 106937 106835
2010 106793 106772 106916 107145 107193 107258 107351 107461 107570 107713 107841 108008
2011 108102 108363 108582 108823 108922 108997 109170 109242 109462 109579 109719
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What is your obsession with Obama? You are incapable of having a discussion about the economy without mindlessly creating the Obama tangent. Maybe it is because you do not believe that the private sector makes hiring decision.?
 
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Thunder said:
For the last 30 years, all the GOP has cared about is increasing corporate profits & reducing the corporate workforce, so as to maximize stock dividends and keep the shareholders happy.

now, all of the sudden, the GOP is talking about the under-employed, folks who have stopped collecting unemployment insurance, and folks who have stopped looking for work.

why the suddent change? oh....right....I forgot.
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The GOP led by lobbyist Grover Norquist has an agenda that includes sucking the last penny from the middle class and poor, the efforts they have made to block job creation and eliminate American jobs exposes thier agenda for anyone who really wants to see. One real clear example would be the two wars that President Bush started and instead of raising taxes to pay for them he borrowed the money from the Chinese. When you look at the conservative focus on eliminating jobs and taking power away from the middle class it's evident that they are making a united effort to continue to weaken and control the middle class
 
Conservative said:
Nothing has refuted the actual Obama results including the 315,000 that dropped out of the labor force last month which distorted the unemployment rate
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The actual Obama results? Please show me any evidence that would suggest that Obama forced 315,000 workers out of the labor force.
 
Misterveritis said:
Really? I am down at least 150K. The value of my house dropped over 100K.
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That's because the price of houses was artificially inflated due to the creative mortgages that allowed people to buy houses that they couldn't afford.
 
Goldenboy219 said:
What is your obsession with Obama? You are incapable of having a discussion about the economy without mindlessly creating the Obama tangent. Maybe it is because you do not believe that the private sector makes hiring decisions, and not government officials.
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You posted the job creation and I posted the official numbers. There has been a net job loss three years after Obama took office and those are due to his economic policies.
 
Conservative said:
Of course he doesn't but he creates the policies that discourage employment, i.e. healthcare which will cost small businesses a lot of money per employee
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Small business is hesitant to hire due to a general lack of sales (demand). You're aimless trying to apply a supply side argument without any consideration of reality.
 
EarlzP said:
The GOP led by lobbyist Grover Norquist has an agenda that includes sucking the last penny from the middle class and poor, the efforts they have made to block job creation and eliminate American jobs exposes thier agenda for anyone who really wants to see. One real clear example would be the two wars that President Bush started and instead of raising taxes to pay for them he borrowed the money from the Chinese. When you look at the conservative focus on eliminating jobs and taking power away from the middle class it's evident that they are making a united effort to continue to weaken and control the middle class
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Are you doing your part to increase govt. revenue by sending in more than required? If not, why not?
 
Conservative said:
Nothing has refuted the actual Obama results including the 315,000 that dropped out of the labor force last month which distorted the unemployment rate
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Obama's results? This implies he controls this. No president does. Again, show how Obama made this happen.
 
Conservative said:
There has been a net job loss three years after Obama took office and those are due to his economic policies.
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Nonsense. This is simply your uninformed, completely subjective opinion. All relevant data analysis suggests otherwise.
 
Conservative said:
Are you doing your part to increase govt. revenue by sending in more than required? If not, why not?
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A rather ignorant statement.

It is absolutely retarded to believe anyone would send money to the government if they were not required to.
 
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