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    Re: U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Pretty simple question, are there more employed today than when Obama took office three years ago?

    You actually think the fact that 4.5 trillion has been added to the debt to create these numbers is a good thing? Do you think those 315,000 that dropped out of the labor force last month is a good thing?

    The country is stuck in neutral and it is all because our Community Organizer President is incompetent.
    your opinion, and no matter how wrong it is , or how misinformed you are, the fact is the economy is adding jobs, and that is a good thing...things are picking up, but go ahead and continue trying to slam the president for a mess he inherited, but has done a nice job of picking up the pieces of. we all know that if he had an (R) next to his name, all would be good in your world.

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    Re: U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    nope, i'm excited with more people finding work, with more money flowing into the economy, with more people getting off financial assistance...i'm excited that things are looking up for the country, unlike you, who wants to see the country continue to be stuck in neutral, who wants people to continue to suffer, for the sole purpose of electing a republican as potus.
    I guess no one has pointed out to you that the expected costs for the Health Care Act begins to have mandates and costs phasing in next year and the year after. The expected cost to business will be, at minimum $3,000 per year. I say minimum because that is the penalty cost for not carrying coverage or carrying coverage that doesnt cover what is mandated. Further, for most employers its going to be much higher. Dependent upon overall employee health, age, etc etc.

    Lest we forget, anyone remember when John Deere and Caterpillar made announcements about the impact of the bill on their short term liabilities and the Democrat reaction? Waxman wanted to call them to testify before his committee for complying with laws regarding spending and corporate transparency. IE they dared criticize, lets rake them over the coals and have some wonderful Kabuki theatre.

    Add in EPA regs which hits---water supply in the Sac Central Valley (in case you didnt know its the highest unemployement in the entire US), drilling rights on both coasts and on the part of the US on the contiental shelf, coal fired plants, and constant retooling of production lines to meet tougher and tougher standards.

    If you think those things are not contributing to the unemployment, you are delusional.

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    Re: U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    your opinion, and no matter how wrong it is , or how misinformed you are, the fact is the economy is adding jobs, and that is a good thing...things are picking up, but go ahead and continue trying to slam the president for a mess he inherited, but has done a nice job of picking up the pieces of. we all know that if he had an (R) next to his name, all would be good in your world.
    The economy always adds jobs even during the recession it added jobs, just not enough to keep up with population growth and retirements. Only a true liberal can call what has happened the past three years as positive because you are getting exactly what you want, bigger govt. and thus more opportunities for the nanny state supporters.

    You and all other liberals will continue to talk about inherited problems while ignoring that we are three years into Obama's Administration and the results are worse than when he took office. That seems ok to you, a union employee, that has a paycheck and job security because of unions but very little if any upward mobility.

    As I have stated many times here, I will be willing to bet that I have voted for more Democrats than you have voted for Republicans. You get your marching orders from the union, I get mine from actual results generated and how those results were generated.

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    Re: U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    I guess no one has pointed out to you that the expected costs for the Health Care Act begins to have mandates and costs phasing in next year and the year after. The expected cost to business will be, at minimum $3,000 per year. I say minimum because that is the penalty cost for not carrying coverage or carrying coverage that doesnt cover what is mandated. Further, for most employers its going to be much higher. Dependent upon overall employee health, age, etc etc.
    If you only take a snap shot of health care costs to the economy your projections appear to make sense, when you take a good in depth look at the health care act you can see that it will save money one good example would be the cost difference between emergency room care and care being provided in a doctors office that prevents the need for emergency room care. Employers lose money every time an employeee loses work due to preventable illnesses, sick employees add to costs not only through call offs but due to reduced working performance while sick. Employers pass those costs off to the employee and to the people who consume the goods and or services they provide

    Lest we forget, anyone remember when John Deere and Caterpillar made announcements about the impact of the bill on their short term liabilities and the Democrat reaction? Waxman wanted to call them to testify before his committee for complying with laws regarding spending and corporate transparency. IE they dared criticize, lets rake them over the coals and have some wonderful Kabuki theatre.
    This is nothing more then rhetoric unless you have a source supporting your opinion

    Add in EPA regs which hits---water supply in the Sac Central Valley (in case you didnt know its the highest unemployement in the entire US), drilling rights on both coasts and on the part of the US on the contiental shelf, coal fired plants, and constant retooling of production lines to meet tougher and tougher standards.
    If you think those things are not contributing to the unemployment, you are delusional.[/QUOTE]

    Having worked in the chemical industry I can assure you that without the EPA we would be no different then China or other third world countries are about protecting our environment for future generations

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    Re: U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    Pretty simple question, are there more employed today than when Obama took office three years ago?
    That's not actually the simple question you pretend it is since he took over amid the worst recession since the Great Depression and during the first year of his presidency alone, employment fell by about 5 million, unemployment rose by about 4 million, underemployment rose by about 4 million, GDP fell by around 3 percent.

    While sycophants may blame Obama for the conditions he inherited, most people do not.

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    Re: U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post

    what actions did Obama take, what votes did he make, that helped contribute to this crisis?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    That has been beaten to death on this thread but that doesn't stop you from continuing to ignore the causes of the collapse but more importantly the millions and millions of Americans that are unemployed/under employed today that don't have a chance ot even buy a home. The thread topic is the unemployment rate dropping but the reality is it is higher today than when he took office, 315,000 dropped out of the labor force last month making the rate look lower than it really is, he has over 1 million discouraged workers each month since he has been in office. It will be that record on the ballot in 2012 not the housing crisis which has been over now for years.
    Translation: Obama had nothing at all to do with creating the mortgage crisis.

    Thanks for confirming what everyone already knows.


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    Re: U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post

    I guess no one has pointed out to you ...
    Hey, how come you didn't respond to my challenge ... ?

    Here it is again, in case you missed it ...


    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post

    In 2005– Senator John McCain partnered with three other Senate Republicans to reform the government’s involvement in lending.
    Democrats blocked this reform, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post

    I challenge you to prove that Democrats blocked that reform.

    Here, I'll even get you started by spotting you a link to the reform in question in which you erroneously stated Democrats blocked ...


    S.190: Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005

    ... go for it ...

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    Re: U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    If you only take a snap shot of health care costs to the economy your projections appear to make sense, when you take a good in depth look at the health care act you can see that it will save money one good example would be the cost difference between emergency room care and care being provided in a doctors office that prevents the need for emergency room care. Employers lose money every time an employeee loses work due to preventable illnesses, sick employees add to costs not only through call offs but due to reduced working performance while sick. Employers pass those costs off to the employee and to the people who consume the goods and or services they provide



    This is nothing more then rhetoric unless you have a source supporting your opinion

    If you think those things are not contributing to the unemployment, you are delusional.
    Having worked in the chemical industry I can assure you that without the EPA we would be no different then China or other third world countries are about protecting our environment for future generations[/QUOTE]

    The health care projections are impacting throughout. Companies large and small.
    Here is your JD and Cat story : Shut up, he argues - NYPOST.com

    I dont argue that EPA is neccessary, I argue that regulations dont need to tighten in a 2 to 4 year cycle when amortization and costs to pay for upgrades havent even gone thorugh yet...particularly multimillion dollar outlays in the case of the coal industry.

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    Re: U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Hey, how come you didn't respond to my challenge ... ?

    Here it is again, in case you missed it ...
    Thats from a quoted article, derp. How about you do some legwork for a change and prove they DIDNT.

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    Re: U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post

    Thats from a quoted article, derp. How about you do some legwork for a change and prove they DIDNT.
    I already did ... didn't you see the link I gave you? It shows exactly what happened to that bill and it wasn't blocked by Democrats. Which is why IO challenged you to prove what you posted.

    I knew you couldn't ...

    ... now everyone reading this, including you, knows you couldn't.

    What you posted was a lie.

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