U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

Sheik Yerbuti · Dec 17, 2011

Grant said:
If the American people are so stupid to not vote for the best candidate because of his or her religion then they deserve what they get. That sort of ignorance should not go unrewarded. It seems its the Left who has the most problems with a persons religion. In fact they often have problem with all forms of the Christian, and Jewish, religion.

But it's quite probably more a political issue than a religious issue with the Leftists. If they feel they can exploit a persons religion to advance their political goals they'll certainly do it. Isn't that true?

Well according to that poll, there are plenty of rightwingers who won't vote for a Mormon either so I'm not sure why you think they're any different than those on the left.

And if that poll holds true, it can cost Romney as much as 25 to 30% of his votes between Republicans and roughly half of Independents.

Another potential problem for the right is Ron Paul, who is leaving the door open to run as an Independent should he not win the GOP nomination.

Thunder · Dec 17, 2011

Conservative said:
LOL, since when is a progressive happy about those evil corporations making money and the stock market up 5000 points? Were you that happy when it was 14000 under Bush?

I was ecstatic, due to my 401k kicking ass.

Sheik Yerbuti · Dec 17, 2011

Thunder said:
I was ecstatic, due to my 401k kicking ass.

DJIA:

Clinton: +225%
Bush: -25%
Obama: +43%

NASDAQ:

Clinton: +298%
Bush: -48%
Obama: +40%

S&P500:

Clinton: +209%
Bush: -40%
Obama: +44%

Thunder · Dec 17, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
DJIA:

Clinton: +225%
Bush: -25%
Obama: +43%

NASDAQ:

Clinton: +298%
Bush: -48%
Obama: +40%

S&P500:

Clinton: +209%
Bush: -40%
Obama: +44%

facts that Conservatives will ignore.

Sheik Yerbuti · Dec 17, 2011

Thunder said:
facts that Conservatives will ignore.

No, they don't ignore them -- they vote against them. They would rather lose money under a Conservative president than make money under a Liberal president.

Misterveritis · Dec 18, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
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Another potential problem for the right is Ron Paul, who is leaving the door open to run as an Independent should he not win the GOP nomination.

Yep. Someone needs to take him out to the woodshed and give him a good spanking.

If he does then the one term Marxist president Obama will be a two term president. Can the nation survive it? I do not know.

Thunder · Dec 18, 2011

Misterveritis said:
Yep. Someone needs to take him out to the woodshed and give him a good spanking.

If he does then the one term Marxist president Obama will be a two term president. Can the nation survive it? I do not know.

with the current three-ring circus known as the Republican Presidential candidates, Obama is sure to win re-election.

Misterveritis · Dec 18, 2011

Thunder said:
with the current three-ring circus known as the Republican Presidential candidates, Obama is sure to win re-election.

He wins and the nation loses if there is a split of the Republican party by a third party candidate. He loses and the nation wins under any other scenario.

Thunder · Dec 18, 2011

Misterveritis said:
He wins and the nation loses if there is a split of the Republican party by a third party candidate. He loses and the nation wins under any other scenario.

four more years of Obama, means four more years of Republicans trying to do as little as possible.

Misterveritis · Dec 18, 2011

Thunder said:
four more years of Obama, means four more years of Republicans trying to do as little as possible.

One of the critical elements of our governing documents was precisely this design. When a tyrant gets into power we do not want to make it easy for him. If we must stand in defense of liberty by tying the government into knots then that is the role we must be willing to take.

Thunder · Dec 18, 2011

Misterveritis said:
One of the critical elements of our governing documents was precisely this design. When a tyrant gets into power we do not want to make it easy for him. If we must stand in defense of liberty by tying the government into knots then that is the role we must be willing to take.

hyperbole noted......and rejected.

Misterveritis · Dec 18, 2011

Thunder said:
hyperbole noted......and rejected.

LOL. Your rejection means nothing. The form of government is intended to make this method of slowing down government very possible. It is essential when the tyrant rules against the will of the people.

pbrauer · Dec 18, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Another potential problem for the right is Ron Paul, who is leaving the door open to run as an Independent should he not win the GOP nomination.

Even if Paul doesn't run as an independent, he will get significant write-in votes. Also Gary Johnson, the former New Mexico governor, is considering running for the Libertarian Party nominee.

Conservative · Dec 18, 2011

Thunder said:
I was ecstatic, due to my 401k kicking ass.

Good for you, as is mine but then again I saw the Democrats take over Congress, converted all my stocks into cash and then got back in after they bottomed out the market. Did real well under Bush up until 2008 when Democrats put together the 2009 budget and economic legislation or lack of it. Works every time. Worked also when the Republicans took control of Congress in 1994, 2003, and 2011.

Sure glad to see you have no problem with corporation profits and those evil rich people.

Fubar · Dec 18, 2011

j-mac said:
Either they are duping America, or not counting some people that absolutely be counted, or I don't know what, because I sure don't see the problem getting better.

They tinker around with these stats in DC to the point where no one is telling the truth any more. I am disappointed in the lies.

j-mac

Circus j-mac,jupst circus.like the citizens of ancient Rome,the American people are to distracted by bread and circuses to pay attention to the real threat. 'Bout time for a Caesar?.....th republic is dead.....long live the empire.

Sheik Yerbuti · Dec 18, 2011

Conservative said:
Good for you, as is mine but then again I saw the Democrats take over Congress, converted all my stocks into cash and then got back in after they bottomed out the market.

Too bad you missed the ride when the Dow hit 14,000

AdamT · Dec 18, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Too bad you missed the ride when the Dow hit 14,000

Yeah, also too bad he missed the 50% rise under Obama before the rehubs took over the House.

presluc · Dec 18, 2011

Boo Radley said:
Uncertianty? Code for everything must be the fault of democrats. Fact is, business doesn't spend until people buy. It's as simple as that.

One step further, unemployed people don't buy that much.
People with low wages don't buy that much
According to recent population results and polls that's a lot of people.

If America stays at it's current pace business won't have to worry about what they spend , they will start worrying about that black ink turning to red ink.
Then they will worry about how to save their company.

eace

Conservative · Dec 18, 2011

AdamT said:
Yeah, also too bad he missed the 50% rise under Obama before the rehubs took over the House.

So let's see if I have this right, progressives and liberals have no problem with the stock market going up and companies making record profits? What exactly did Obama do to create that rising stock market and record profits?

Keep playing that act you are playing

Sheik Yerbuti · Dec 18, 2011

Conservative said:
So let's see if I have this right, progressives and liberals have no problem with the stock market going up and companies making record profits?

Correct.

Conservative said:
What exactly did Obama do to create that rising stock market and record profits?

His policies inspired a bull market. The market turned around shortly after his stimulus went into effect ... you know, the stimulus you said saved/created 3½ million jobs; half a million more than he targeted. And it was going strong until the Republican house decided to play "chicken" with the national debt ceiling, causing our credit rating to slip.

Conservative · Dec 18, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Correct.

His policies inspired a bull market. The market turned around shortly after his stimulus went into effect ... you know, the stimulus you said saved/created 3½ million jobs; half a million more than he targeted. And it was going strong until the Republican house decided to play "chicken" with the national debt ceiling, causing our credit rating to slip.

Never ran a business, did you? That bull market as you call it has led to less than 2% GDP growth and 24 million unemployed/under employed Americans along with 4.5 trillion added to the debt. I believe you are in the same boat as Adam, playing an act as no one with any intelligence can be this naive, gullible, misinformed,and out of touch with reality

Sheik Yerbuti · Dec 18, 2011

Conservative said:
Never ran a business, did you? That bull market as you call it has led to less than 2% GDP growth and 24 million unemployed/under employed Americans along with 4.5 trillion added to the debt. I believe you are in the same boat as Adam, playing an act as no one with any intelligence can be this naive, gullible, misinformed,and out of touch with reality

Well certainly, unemployment doesn't cause a bull market nor does sluggish GDP growth. As I said, it was Obama's policies which did; starting with his stimulus plan.

Conservative · Dec 18, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Well certainly, unemployment doesn't cause a bull market nor does sluggish GDP growth. As I said, it was Obama's policies which did; starting with his stimulus plan.

Yep,the stimulus plan that was supposed to keep unemployment from exceeding 8% that now has hundreds of thousands dropping out of the labor market, a net job loss, fewer people working, more debt, and terrible economic growth leading to a 42% GDP growth and a one term Presidency.

Sheik Yerbuti · Dec 18, 2011

Conservative said:
Yep,the stimulus plan that was supposed to keep unemployment from exceeding 8% that now has hundreds of thousands dropping out of the labor market, a net job loss, fewer people working, more debt, and terrible economic growth leading to a 42% GDP growth and a one term Presidency.

Nope, that 8% figure was nothing but an estimate and rather meaningless given the unemployment rate was already up to 8% when the stimulus passed.

The "key goal" of the stimulus was to create or save 3 million jobs ... you said each job saved/created cost us $228,000 -- the equivalent of 3½ million jobs ... half a million more than Obama had set as his "key goal."

Conservative · Dec 18, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Nope, that 8% figure was nothing but an estimate and rather meaningless given the unemployment rate was already up to 8% when the stimulus passed.

The "key goal" of the stimulus was to create or save 3 million jobs ... you said each job saved/created cost us $228,000 -- the equivalent of 3½ million jobs ... half a million more than Obama had set as his "key goal."

The majority of the public don't seem to believe that Obama has done a good job nor do the 24 million plus unemployed/under employed Americans. You can continue to play your act but it won't change the lack of support Obama has today.

U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

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