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U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

Please tell me what legislation Obama proposed and then signed which kept us out of a depression?

What do you think would have happened had GM and the banks fell, adn people like teachers and firefighters lost their jobs?
 
Aw, yes, the Obama results are to be ignored and certainly aren't facts. Guess those non facts are why Obama is doing so well in the JAR polls

Then start a thread and discuss that topic there. There is no need to flood this thread with an irrelevant opinion (that you have already expressed ad nauseam).
 
What do you think would have happened had GM and the banks fell, adn people like teachers and firefighters lost their jobs?

How do you know that GM would have gone out of business? Did United Go out of Business? How about other businesses that declared bankruptcy and returned to prominence. You want badly to believe Obama saved the company but what Obama did was save the unions and that doesn't benefit the economy
 
Please tell me what legislation Obama proposed and then signed which kept us out of a depression?

What do you have against unbiased quantitative data analysis? You have been provided a most relevant source; there is no need to duck it because it does not adhere to your ideology.
 
Then start a thread and discuss that topic there. There is no need to flood this thread with an irrelevant opinion (that you have already expressed ad nauseam).

What do any of your posts have to do with the thread topic? Posting Obama results refutes the thread claims of economic improvement
 
How do you know that GM would have gone out of business? Did United Go out of Business? How about other businesses that declared bankruptcy and returned to prominence. You want badly to believe Obama saved the company but what Obama did was save the unions and that doesn't benefit the economy

GM came hat in hand, so they thought they would. But I offered more than that, and there is a report there for you to read as well. Can it be you're not interested in the facts at all?
 
What do you have against unbiased quantitative data analysis? You have been provided a most relevant source; there is no need to duck it because it does not adhere to your ideology.

Not a thing, love book smart people, just prefer street smarts more and what is actually happening in the real world to real people, you know those 24 million plus unemployed/under employed Americans, or those 315000 that dropped out of the labor force thus leading to the reduction in unemployment rate? Where do those people fit on your charts?
 
Not a thing, love book smart people, just prefer street smarts more and what is actually happening in the real world to real people, you know those 24 million plus unemployed/under employed Americans, or those 315000 that dropped out of the labor force thus leading to the reduction in unemployment rate? Where do those people fit on your charts?

So, you don't like people who know stuff? You prefer a lack of knowledge as the basis for your opinions. Explains a lot actually. :coffeepap
 
How do you know that GM would have gone out of business?

Without federal support, they were technically insolvent.

Did United Go out of Business?

A transportation service company differs greatly from a multinational manufacturing powerhouse.


How about other businesses that declared bankruptcy and returned to prominence. You want badly to believe Obama saved the company but what Obama did was save the unions and that doesn't benefit the economy

Any spinoffs that would have emerged from the rubble would have had to re-up with uninon labor. Multibillion dollar manufacturing facilities just cannot up and move to right to work states :lamo
 
GM came hat in hand, so they thought they would. But I offered more than that, and there is a report there for you to read as well. Can it be you're not interested in the facts at all?

In a capitalistic economy businesses win and lose. GM's loss would have been someone else's gain. To claim that the auto company would have gone out of business is nothing more than speculation. Not sure what that has to do with the thread topic. It does seem that Obama supporters will do anything to divert from the Obama record. Don't blame them
 
In a capitalistic economy businesses win and lose. GM's loss would have been someone else's gain. To claim that the auto company would have gone out of business is nothing more than speculation. Not sure what that has to do with the thread topic. It does seem that Obama supporters will do anything to divert from the Obama record. Don't blame them

we are very aware of his record since 2009:

stock market regains all its lost value.

GDP back in the positive.

unemployment going down.

companies matching 401k contributions again.

very good legislation passed regarding tobacco industry, fuel-efficiency, nuclear weapons, financial industry, etc etc.
 
Without federal support, they were technically insolvent.



A transportation service company differs greatly from a multinational manufacturing powerhouse.




Any spinoffs that would have emerged from the rubble would have had to re-up with uninon labor. Multibillion dollar manufacturing facilities just cannot up and move to right to work states :lamo

They got Federal support and that support has cost the taxpayer billions. There is only speculation what would have happened had they gone out of business. What we do know is that billions have been added to the debt and the results are questionable. Unions continue to destroy the manufacturing base in this country IMO
 
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In a capitalistic economy businesses win and lose. GM's loss would have been someone else's gain. To claim that the auto company would have gone out of business is nothing more than speculation. Not sure what that has to do with the thread topic. It does seem that Obama supporters will do anything to divert from the Obama record. Don't blame them

This is not and has not been a purely capitalistic system. However, if it were, eventually someone would win it all, and thus become as oppressive as a dictatorship. This is one reason we don't have such a system.

And I'm not sure what much of what you post has to do with any thread topic, but all I can do is try and answer you anyway. :coffeepap
 
Not a thing, love book smart people, just prefer street smarts more and what is actually happening in the real world to real people, you know those 24 million plus unemployed/under employed Americans, or those 315000 that dropped out of the labor force thus leading to the reduction in unemployment rate? Where do those people fit on your charts?

Moody's analytics is a financial research company that has $600 million in annual revenue. They are so good at what they do, nearly every major international body that has financial needs accepts their analysis as unbiased. Otherwise, they would not make $600 million a year just by being "book smart". And to state that "just prefer street smarts more" is just plain ignorant given the quantitative underpinnings of this topic/discussion.

Maybe you should examine the charts a little closer?!?!
 
. . .and you see if the world didn't have damn liberals it would be perfect. Damn liberals!
I see, at last, we have a point of agreement.

I wonder what things look like in states run by liberal Democrats who get their way. Are there any examples we might draw some lessons from?
 
This is not and has not been a purely capitalistic system. However, if it were, eventually someone would win it all, and thus become as oppressive as a dictatorship. This is one reason we don't have such a system.

And I'm not sure what much of what you post has to do with any thread topic, but all I can do is try and answer you anyway. :coffeepap

Guess it is always much easier to target those large companies than the 80% of the economy being run by small businesses. These are the major employers of this country and the ones not counted in the unemployment numbers and the ones hurting the most by the Obama economic policies
 
Guess it is always much easier to target those large companies than the 80% of the economy being run by small businesses. These are the major employers of this country and the ones not counted in the unemployment numbers and the ones hurting the most by the Obama economic policies

Uhh a lot of small business sell stuff to GM.
 
They got Federal support and that support has cost the taxpayer billions. There is only speculation what would have happened had they gone out of business. What we do know is that billions have been added to the debt and the results are questionable. Unions continue to destroy the manufacturing base in this country IMO

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DETROIT – Chevrolet sold 1.2 million vehicles globally in the third quarter, the best July-to-September results in the brand’s 100-year history. In the first nine months of 2011, Chevrolet sold 3.6 million vehicles globally, positioning the brand for its best-ever calendar-year sales.

“Nine months of record sales is a great testament to the strength of Chevrolet’s products and service,” said Chris Perry, vice president, Chevrolet global marketing and strategy. “That success would not be possible without first connecting with new customers individually – no matter where they live – listening to their needs, and then welcoming them to the Chevrolet family.”

That customer-focused approach is best illustrated by the successful U.S. launch of the Cruze compact sedan. Chevrolet sold more than 175,000 Cruzes worldwide in the third quarter of 2011, fueled by U.S. and China sales growth. More than 970,000 Cruzes have been sold since it was introduced in early 2009, and the 1 millionth Cruze is expected to sell by the end of October.

I can go on if you wish to continue to stomp your feet.
 
Guess it is always much easier to target those large companies than the 80% of the economy being run by small businesses. These are the major employers of this country and the ones not counted in the unemployment numbers and the ones hurting the most by the Obama economic policies

ANother wild leap on your part. Nothing I said calls for this response by you. So, I can only believe you are stuck, and as is your common tactic, are trying to divert attention away form the discussion. Re=read what I wrote and try again.

:coffeepap
 
Guess it is always much easier to target those large companies than the 80% of the economy being run by small businesses. These are the major employers of this country and the ones not counted in the unemployment numbers and the ones hurting the most by the Obama economic policies

Small businesses are hurting do to a general lack of sales (demand!). You surely do not spur demand by cutting output.
 
You assume that GM would have gone out of business and there is no proof of that happening.

They were insolvent; without government financing the company would have been broken down, and the pieces auctioned off to the highest bidders (with Chinese investors licking their chops).
 
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