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    Re: U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Why do you post LNS12000000 numbers for Obama but post CES0500000001 Numbers for Bush? In my world that's called comparing apples to oranges.
    He cherry-picks from the most favorable data he can find. He does that all the time. He doen't mind switching between real and nominal figures; household and payroll data; seasonally adjusted and non seasonally adjusted. Results don't matter to that one.

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    Re: U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I keep on hearing more good job news, every day.

    Yep, I'll bet unemployment is down to 8% by June...mayb even March.
    How many people need to drop out of the labor force to achieve that number? That good news for you?

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    Re: U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Help me out here, Con ... what am I missing? You claim we had 52 consecutive months of job growth but when I look at the numbers you posted, the most I see is 8 consecutive months.
    You are missing the private sector job growth which isn't surprising. Why don't you just admit who you are?

    Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National)
    Original Data Value

    Series Id: CES0500000001
    Seasonally Adjusted
    Super Sector: Total private
    Industry: Total private
    NAICS Code: -
    Data Type: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS
    Years: 2001 to 2011

    Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
    2001 111634 111624 111555 111227 111146 110910 110737 110544 110276 109918 109575 109368
    2002 109214 109054 108989 108892 108814 108824 108732 108671 108659 108772 108758 108595
    2003 108640 108484 108286 108252 108274 108233 108231 108266 108421 108570 108611 108724
    2004 108882 108913 109213 109437 109747 109841 109883 109984 110135 110465 110493 110624
    2005 110718 110949 111095 111441 111583 111847 112122 112311 112392 112492 112796 112934
    2006 113247 113533 113795 113961 113965 114049 114200 114347 114432 114438 114628 114803
    2007 114993 115051 115251 115308 115419 115469 115486
    115391 115396 115470 115568 115606
    2008 115610 115482 115395 115209 114969 114752 114487 114170 113736 113245 112458 111822
    2009 110981 110260 109473 108700 108374 107936 107649 107434 107221 106971 106937 106835
    2010 106793 106772 106916 107145 107193 107258 107351 107461 107570 107713 107841 108008
    2011 108102 108363 108582 108823 108922 108997 109170 109242 109462 109579 109719
    Last edited by Conservative; 12-16-11 at 09:48 PM.

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    Re: U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Why do you post LNS12000000 numbers for Obama but post CES0500000001 Numbers for Bush? In my world that's called comparing apples to oranges.
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    Use the same chart for Obama and tell me that there has been 21 straight months of private sector job growth

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    Re: U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
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    Use the same chart for Obama and tell me that there has been 21 straight months of private sector job growth
    I've shown this to you before, you must have ignored what I posted which was neatly formatted with a table. On report CES0500000001 start with Feb 2010 and check the subsequent 21 months and you will see numbers getting bigger. If you use the 1-Month Net Change option you can see easily see it.

    As for your numbers that you highlighted in red - that's your basic housing bubble.

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    Re: U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You are missing the private sector job growth which isn't surprising. Why don't you just admit who you are?

    Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National)
    Original Data Value

    Series Id: CES0500000001
    Seasonally Adjusted
    Super Sector: Total private
    Industry: Total private
    NAICS Code: -
    Data Type: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS
    Years: 2001 to 2011

    Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
    2001 111634 111624 111555 111227 111146 110910 110737 110544 110276 109918 109575 109368
    2002 109214 109054 108989 108892 108814 108824 108732 108671 108659 108772 108758 108595
    2003 108640 108484 108286 108252 108274 108233 108231 108266 108421 108570 108611 108724
    2004 108882 108913 109213 109437 109747 109841 109883 109984 110135 110465 110493 110624
    2005 110718 110949 111095 111441 111583 111847 112122 112311 112392 112492 112796 112934
    2006 113247 113533 113795 113961 113965 114049 114200 114347 114432 114438 114628 114803
    2007 114993 115051 115251 115308 115419 115469 115486
    115391 115396 115470 115568 115606
    2008 115610 115482 115395 115209 114969 114752 114487 114170 113736 113245 112458 111822
    2009 110981 110260 109473 108700 108374 107936 107649 107434 107221 106971 106937 106835
    2010 106793 106772 106916 107145 107193 107258 107351 107461 107570 107713 107841 108008
    2011 108102 108363 108582 108823 108922 108997 109170 109242 109462 109579 109719
    a) the article you quoted from said nothing about it being from the private sector; and b) that's still not 52 consecutive weeks.

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    Re: U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
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    Use the same chart for Obama and tell me that there has been 21 straight months of private sector job growth
    2009 -841 -721 -787 -773 -326 -438 -287 -215 -213 -250 -34 -102
    2010 -42 -21 144 229 48 65 93 110 109 143 128 167
    2011 94 261 219 241 99 75 173 72 220 117(P) 140(P)

    Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

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    Re: U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Not the Dems, the evangelicals. Before he can run against Obama, he has to get the nomination. Evangelicals, the Christian Right, wouldn't vote for a Democrat if he were running against Voldemort.
    I would tend to disagree because the economy and the future of the country has to come first, and Obama doesn't have any real edge in the odd religions market. They may bicker and debate but in the end I think they'll realize that, for now, this is not the time for religion confrontations. And with Romney being such a family man, unscathed by any scandal whatsoever, it's hard to find fault with him personally. And would the evangelicals have enough influence to carry a State?

    But I'm also on uncertain ground here. This is just my hunch.

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    Re: U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    They might not vote for Obama ... and they might not vote at all if the choice is between Obama and a member of a cult.
    Cult?

    So the religious slurs have already begun.

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    Re: U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    a) the article you quoted from said nothing about it being from the private sector; and b) that's still not 52 consecutive weeks.
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