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    Re: U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    In our conversations it has become apparent to me that you may not understand what real leadership skills are. Let me explain a little, real leaders are willing to compromise in order to reach an agreement that best meets the needs of everyone involved I have not seen any indication from you that you are willing to compromise at all nor have I seen any indication from the Grover Norquist pledged and led conservatives that they are willing to compromise.

    I could pick apart your talking points but it would not matter at all to you, some where you formed the opinion that you know it all and it appears that nothing and no one will ever convince you to look at things from a different point of view.

    I will say this again it is impossible to compare the President Reagan presidency with the President Obama presidency for a number of reasons one and perhaps the most important distinctions is that President Reagan did not have to deal with an opposition party that refuses to compromise. Good leadership skills require idealogical give and take President Obama has shown that he willing to compromise and for that reason if none other he will be re-elected in 2012 and the American people will give him both houses and a opportunity to salvage the American economy
    Real leaders don't blame others for their own mistakes. Real leaders do compromise but you don't compromise with a liberal, you defeat them as Reagan did.

    Your ignorance of what went on in the 80's is quite telling. Reagan's budgets and economic policies were DOA according to Tip O'Neil but that fact escapes you just like the net 17 million job increase during his term. If you believe liberal economic policy will save the American economy then you are indeed hopeless and ignore the actual Obama results generated with a Democrat Congress with overwhelming numbers. Neither Reagan or Bush had those kind of numbers. Reagan took his policies to the American people and Bush implemented his policies from 2003-2006 and the results are there for all to see. Stop ignoring them.

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    Re: U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

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    Sure, other companies would have picked up the slack, eventually. But a lot of that slack would have been taken up by foreign brands. In the meantime, instead of peaking at an unemployment rate a little over 10%, we'd have been looking at UP of 11 - 12%. The markets would have puked, revenues would have fallen even farther, and tax expenditures would have risen to pay all those UP benefits. In other words, it was going to cost the government billions one way or the other.
    Those factories would still be located in the US. Those workers and engineers would still be located in the US. Another business, entrepreneur would buy the assets and employ workers/engineers to make a new product. The weak parts would be left to rot. The strong and good parts would go back into production. It makes our country stronger, faster and more competitive. What the government did was promote buggy whips in the day of the car. They tried to pick another winner...and lost.
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    Real leaders don't blame others for their own mistakes. Real leaders do compromise but you don't compromise with a liberal, you defeat them as Reagan did.
    Reagan would have accomplished little or nothing if he hadn't been willing to work with Tip O'Neill.

    Reagan had a basic philosophy: Cut taxes, cut the size of government and beat the Soviets. Tip believed that Social Security had alleviated the fear millions once had of old age, and that the GI Bill and other government programs built the American middle class. Yet, occasionally, the two found common ground.

    "Tip had the last word and it was good one," Reagan jotted in his diary after one meeting. Another entry: "I'm having more luck with Demos than Repubs. Asked O'Neill if I could address a joint session next week. He agreed."
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    Re: U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

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    Reagan would have accomplished little or nothing if he hadn't been willing to work with Tip O'Neill.



    Chris Matthews - What Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill could teach Washington today
    You can re-write history but you cannot change history. Tip O'Neill called the Reagan budgets DOA. You need to do better reserach or at least some. Stop buying what you are told and verify the rhetoric.

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    Re: U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

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    Those factories would still be located in the US. Those workers and engineers would still be located in the US. Another business, entrepreneur would buy the assets and employ workers/engineers to make a new product. The weak parts would be left to rot. The strong and good parts would go back into production. It makes our country stronger, faster and more competitive. What the government did was promote buggy whips in the day of the car. They tried to pick another winner...and lost.
    Some of the factories would be in the US and some wouldn't. Some of the engineers would be in the US and some wouldn't. Clearly there would have been a net loss of US jobs.

    As far as other companies buying up their assets -- there were no takers. The big three had been contracting for several years prior to the metldown and no one was moving into or buying their shuttered facilities. And it wasn't for lack of trying. All of the big three were aggressively seeking deals with other manufacturers.

    What the government did was accelerate the restructuring process that the big three had already undertaken. The controlled bankruptcies allowed them to shed failing brands and models, lose excess dealership capacity, jettison much of their legacy labor costs, and continue with a workforce being paid competitive wages. As a consequence, all three of them are now profitable.

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    Re: U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

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    You can re-write history but you cannot change history. Tip O'Neill called the Reagan budgets DOA. You need to do better reserach or at least some. Stop buying what you are told and verify the rhetoric.
    They were rivals, and had very different ideas, but in the end they worked together and the budgets got passed. With a Democratic Congress. That is what leadership is about: fighting for you ideas but recognizing that you need to find common ground if want to get anything done.

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    Re: U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    They were rivals, and had very different ideas, but in the end they worked together and the budgets got passed. With a Democratic Congress. That is what leadership is about: fighting for you ideas but recognizing that you need to find common ground if want to get anything done.
    Tip O'Neill was forced by the electorate to work with Reagan. Obama has made zero effort to work with the Republicans. Obama hasn't been transparent, hasn't been a uniter, but has been a total disaster as his results show

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    Re: U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

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    Real leaders don't blame others for their own mistakes.
    True.


    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Real leaders do compromise but you don't compromise with a liberal,
    That attitude sums up one big reason why Congress is dysfunctional, particularly when "liberal" means "Democrat", or "anyone who disagrees with my point of view."

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    you defeat them as Reagan did.
    So, it was Reagan who supported the amnesty bill. All this time I thought it was the "liberals".


    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Your ignorance of what went on in the 80's is quite telling. Reagan's budgets and economic policies were DOA according to Tip O'Neil but that fact escapes you just like the net 17 million job increase during his term.
    It was a time of economic growth, to be sure, along with growth of the federal government, fueled by deficit spending. Do you remember that the budgets Reagan proposed were often more than what Congress passed?
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    Re: U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Tip O'Neill was forced by the electorate to work with Reagan. Obama has made zero effort to work with the Republicans. Obama hasn't been transparent, hasn't been a uniter, but has been a total disaster as his results show
    I guess I missed the crowds with torches and pitchforks marching towards Tip's office.

    Reagan hardly had a massive mandate in his first term. Obama had a bigger percentage of the popular vote ... and Reagan was running against Carter! And Reagan's approval rating followed a course eerily similar to Obama's.

    The fact is that Reagan and O'Neill worked together. Otherwise Reagan never would have gotten his economic plan through Congress.

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    Re: U.S. Jobless Rate Unexpectedly Declines to 8.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    True.




    That attitude sums up one big reason why Congress is dysfunctional, particularly when "liberal" means "Democrat", or "anyone who disagrees with my point of view."



    So, it was Reagan who supported the amnesty bill. All this time I thought it was the "liberals".




    It was a time of economic growth, to be sure, along with growth of the federal government, fueled by deficit spending. Do you remember that the budgets Reagan proposed were often more than what Congress passed?
    I have a different memory than you, the Reagan budgets were less than the Congress wanted and because of the increase in revenue that Congress expanded social spending thus were more than Reagan requested. Riders were placed on military spending bills were increased to fund social spending. Regardless what many want to ignore is that GDP doubled during the Reagan term and after two years of lost jobs Reagan ended up with a net increase of almost 17 million jobs at a cost of 1.7 trillion added to the debt.

    Today we have a net job loss and 4.5 trillion added to the debt since January 21, 2009

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