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    Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- Top national security lawyers in the Obama administration say U.S. citizens are legitimate military targets when they take up arms with al-Qaida.
    The lawyers were asked at a national security conference Thursday about the CIA killing of Anwar al-Alwaki, a U.S. citizen and leading al-Qaida figure. He died in a Sept. 30 U.S. drone strike in the mountains of Yemen.
    News from The Associated Press There you go, I can agree with this. You take up arms with the enemy, you can die with them like the scum you are.
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    Re: Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    News from The Associated Press There you go, I can agree with this. You take up arms with the enemy, you can die with them like the scum you are.
    I disagree. An accusation is not a conviction, and Americans should never be put to death without a trial and a conviction. It's in our own damn Constitution, which says that, before you take life or liberty from someone, you have to PROVE HIM GUILTY in a court of law, by his own peers. Innocent until PROVEN guilty is the American way. Assassination makes us no better than Iran.
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    Re: Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I disagree. An accusation is not a conviction, and Americans should never be put to death without a trial and a conviction. It's in our own damn Constitution, which says that, before you take life or liberty from someone, you have to PROVE HIM GUILTY in a court of law, by his own peers. Innocent until PROVEN guilty is the American way. Assassination makes us no better than Iran.
    Huh uh. How you gonna arrest a guy in the middle of a battlefield firing at US Soldiers. "Sorry Billy, your Dad died trying to arrest a man because we couldn't kill him, it would violate his rights."

    Get over it, you take up arms against this country, guess what, you lose your rights. That's how it works bub.
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    Re: Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I disagree. An accusation is not a conviction, and Americans should never be put to death without a trial and a conviction. It's in our own damn Constitution, which says that, before you take life or liberty from someone, you have to PROVE HIM GUILTY in a court of law, by his own peers. Innocent until PROVEN guilty is the American way. Assassination makes us no better than Iran.
    I agree, IF THE PERSON IS SOMEHOW TAKEN INTO CUSTODY. Otherwise if a Marine or soldier shoots him in battle, that's just the way it goes.
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    Re: Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US

    What if the citizen is aiding Al Qaeda from within the U.S. indirectly? Do they lose their habeas corpus rights because they're an "enemy combattant"?

    I hope it applies to combattants on foreign soil only, and even then, if they can capture them there should still be an obligation to uphold the constitution for citizens.

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    Re: Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US

    Al Qa'ida isn't a threat to anyone except Pakistani farmers. Anyone that thinks otherwise is completely delusional.

    What the Obama administration (and congress) are saying is that if you are deemed to be an enemy by the government that they can do whatever they want with you - arrest you, detain you, kill you - regardless of whether or not you are an American citizen. Anyone that supports this blatant trashing of citizen rights is crazy and disgusting.
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    Re: Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I disagree. An accusation is not a conviction, and Americans should never be put to death without a trial and a conviction. It's in our own damn Constitution, which says that, before you take life or liberty from someone, you have to PROVE HIM GUILTY in a court of law, by his own peers. Innocent until PROVEN guilty is the American way. Assassination makes us no better than Iran.
    Quite correct. I'm still amazed how easily some want to abandon rule of law.

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    Re: Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I disagree. An accusation is not a conviction, and Americans should never be put to death without a trial and a conviction. It's in our own damn Constitution, which says that, before you take life or liberty from someone, you have to PROVE HIM GUILTY in a court of law, by his own peers. Innocent until PROVEN guilty is the American way. Assassination makes us no better than Iran.
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    Re: Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US

    The courts are going to kick Obama's ass so far on this one not even Robert Ballard will be able to find it.

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    Re: Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Al Qa'ida isn't a threat to anyone except Pakistani farmers. Anyone that thinks otherwise is completely delusional.

    What the Obama administration (and congress) are saying is that if you are deemed to be an enemy by the government that they can do whatever they want with you - arrest you, detain you, kill you - regardless of whether or not you are an American citizen. Anyone that supports this blatant trashing of citizen rights is crazy and disgusting.
    It may not be a matter of supporting it. The job of the people is to stay informed on upcoming laws such as this, and they do it with the help of the press. Because the press never reports on these laws and citizens have become lazy, the government gets to usurp more and more power each day.

    Our government is becoming more and more tyrannical and they are doing it in such sneaky ways.

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