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    Re: Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US

    Quote Originally Posted by WhistleBlower View Post
    the numbers are appalling. the targeting systems aren't anywhere near what faux news would like you to believe. i'll go see what turns out, but the drones aren't killing many combatants and a lot of kids are dying.
    Of course, the drone pilots are blood thirsty bastards and the war is an unjust massacre of innocent people. It's a TRAVESTY!!! Cause some people on the internet said it was so.
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    Re: Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Of course, the drone pilots are blood thirsty bastards and the war is an unjust massacre of innocent people. It's a TRAVESTY!!! Cause some people on the internet said it was so.
    i trust the judgement and research of amnesty international a whole lot more than the pseudo-intellectual quasi-literate ranting of an armchair general blowing smoke off the top of his head without any supporting documentation.

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    Re: Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US

    Quote Originally Posted by WhistleBlower View Post
    i trust the judgement and research of amnesty international a whole lot more than the pseudo-intellectual quasi-literate ranting of an armchair general blowing smoke off the top of his head without any supporting documentation.
    You should be more direct.


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    Re: Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US

    The entire notion put forward by proponents of this bill - i.e. that if you betray the US you should have no right to a lawyer - literally betrays Section 3 of Article 3 of the Constitution.

    Literally.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    The entire notion put forward by proponents of this bill - i.e. that if you betray the US you should have no right to a lawyer - literally betrays Section 3 of Article 3 of the Constitution.

    Literally.
    So if someone like Paul was elected president we could undertand him targeting those who support this for death. After all, an attack on the Constitution is an attack on America is it not?

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    Re: Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US

    "No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

    Literally.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    News from The Associated Press There you go, I can agree with this. You take up arms with the enemy, you can die with them like the scum you are.

    I agree with that but there should be a line we shouldn't cross and that line should be the borders of our country. If they are on foreign soil then sure they should be treated like any other terrorist or enemy combatant. Constitutional rights should not be extended outside our borders. If they are on American soil then they should be treated like any other American facing criminal charges,its a dangerous precedence to allow the government to detain without trial or to execute without trial on American soil.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I agree with that but there should be a line we shouldn't cross and that line should be the borders of our country. If they are on foreign soil then sure they should be treated like any other terrorist or enemy combatant. Constitutional rights should not be extended outside our borders. If they are on American soil then they should be treated like any other American facing criminal charges,its a dangerous precedence to allow the government to detain without trial or to execute without trial on American soil.
    Just during a firefight, like in a war . . . you know, a real war, or if I'm in, say, England and I run across one, can I shoot him?

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    Re: Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    "No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

    Literally.
    When you're trained to be a team NO MATTER WHAT its not hard to muster up to witnesses that will say whatever needs to be said during summary judgment right? Its not like it wont be people that already think every enemy that comes though a detention center is guilty.... Or someone that would do it for money. God forbid 2 evil people ever get behind the treason law mechanisms. Many would die simply off false testimony.
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