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    Re: Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    If someone is a combatant, that person is a legitimate military objective. Citizenship does not change that. Neither the U.S. Constitution nor the Laws of War confer special status on combatants based on their citizenship.
    Nope but the Constitution does confer special status to citizens.

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    Re: Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US

    Anwar al-Awlaki knew he was as US terrorist target, his father sued the US to stop the US from targeting him, and the courts ruled against him. Theses are facts that cannot be disputed.


    So if Anwar al-Awlaki wanted the protection of US laws he could very simply have turned himself in and fought this out in our court system. He choose not to do this, that alone should tell most people something.


    He wasn't killed in the US, he was killed in Yemen, a country that is “known” to harbor and breed terrorists. Anyone with any interest can look up Anwar al-Awlaki and see what his views were on the western world, and that he indeed portrayed “himself” as a terrorist. IMO his killing was justified and legal within our own legal system.

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    Re: Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Anwar al-Awlaki knew he was as US terrorist target, his father sued the US to stop the US from targeting him, and the courts ruled against him. Theses are facts that cannot be disputed.


    So if Anwar al-Awlaki wanted the protection of US laws he could very simply have turned himself in and fought this out in our court system. He choose not to do this, that alone should tell most people something.


    He wasn't killed in the US, he was killed in Yemen, a country that is “known” to harbor and breed terrorists. Anyone with any interest can look up Anwar al-Awlaki and see what his views were on the western world, and that he indeed portrayed “himself” as a terrorist. IMO his killing was justified and legal within our own legal system.
    Few problems with your post, first you're implying that the government has the right any U.S. citizen who flees from authorities. A complete overreach of power and a precursor for abuse of civil liberties. Secondly the country you flee to does not change your undeniable rights to a trial. And thirdly "Portraying himself as a terrorist" is a generality that can not be punishable by death without a trial.

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    Re: Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Anwar al-Awlaki knew he was as US terrorist target, his father sued the US to stop the US from targeting him, and the courts ruled against him. Theses are facts that cannot be disputed.
    The court ruled that his father had no standing to sue for him.

    So if Anwar al-Awlaki wanted the protection of US laws he could very simply have turned himself in and fought this out in our court system. He choose not to do this, that alone should tell most people something.
    Yeah, that we should have just dropped a bomb on the head of George Wright.

    He wasn't killed in the US, he was killed in Yemen, a country that is “known” to harbor and breed terrorists. Anyone with any interest can look up Anwar al-Awlaki and see what his views were on the western world, and that he indeed portrayed “himself” as a terrorist. IMO his killing was justified and legal within our own legal system.
    Our legal system once allowed a lot of things that were later ruled unconstitutional.

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    Re: Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Agreed. Still, the line can be rather fuzzy.
    You agree that the line isn't fuzzy, then you say it is. Don wasn't fuzzy, my man.
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    Re: Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You agree that the line isn't fuzzy, then you say it is. Don wasn't fuzzy, my man.
    I didn't agree that the line isn't fuzzy. Go back and read my post.
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    Re: Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US

    You folks need to review what "take up arms" means.

    In a military action, things change. If take an M16 and start spraying the local hich school, should the cops try to arrest me, or put me down on the spot?

    Now, if I get busted making PLANS to assist someone to spray a high school with an M16, obviously I shouldn't be shot on the spot, then it's an arrest.

    But make no mistake, if you are firing on a soldier, they are going to fire back, and more often than not, their aim is better than yours.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US

    QUOTE]1Perry;1059994268]The court ruled that his father had no standing to sue for him.[/QUOTE]

    and this Judge Bates said the suit must be dismissed under the political question doctrine, which requires judges to step aside in issues that are best resolved by the elected, political branches of government.

    Yeah, that we should have just dropped a bomb on the head of George Wright.
    So you compare Wright, that is already a convicted killer, and under arrest in another country with Anwar al-Awlaki???

    Our legal system once allowed a lot of things that were later ruled unconstitutional.
    Okay ... so ? Are you saying then that we shouldn't enforce the existing laws ..... because 10, 20, 30, 40, 100 years from now "may be" ruled upon differently ?? Hell lets just go back to the code of survival of the fittest.

    Wait ...wait ... are you suggesting we should bring Obama up on charges of murder ... . hey .. I might change my mind here ..

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    Re: Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    You folks need to review what "take up arms" means.

    In a military action, things change. If take an M16 and start spraying the local hich school, should the cops try to arrest me, or put me down on the spot?
    I'm not sure how many times in this thread it will have to be noted that nobody is argueing that.

    Now, if I get busted making PLANS to assist someone to spray a high school with an M16, obviously I shouldn't be shot on the spot, then it's an arrest.

    But make no mistake, if you are firing on a soldier, they are going to fire back, and more often than not, their aim is better than yours.
    Which nobody has a problem with.

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    Re: Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post

    and this Judge Bates said the suit must be dismissed under the political question doctrine, which requires judges to step aside in issues that are best resolved by the elected, political branches of government.
    COnstitutional arguements are indeed the courts responsibility.

    So you compare Wright, that is already a convicted killer, and under arrest in another country with Anwar al-Awlaki???
    If we knew he was hiding in a certain house, would you support us dropping a bomb on his head?

    Okay ... so ? Are you saying then that we shouldn't enforce the existing laws ..... because 10, 20, 30, 40, 100 years from now "may be" ruled upon differently ?? Hell lets just go back to the code of survival of the fittest.

    Wait ...wait ... are you suggesting we should bring Obama up on charges of murder ... . hey .. I might change my mind here ..
    I say it's ruled on within 2 years.

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