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    Bradley Manning lawyer: White House review found 'leak' did no real damage

    The US army intelligence analyst suspected of giving classified material to Wikileaks says a White House review has concluded that the alleged leaks did no real damage to national security.

    Bradley Manning's defence attorney made the claim in a court filing he released publicly on Monday.

    The filing also claims a defence department review found that all the information allegedly leaked was either dated, represented low-level opinions, or was already known because of previous public disclosures.
    Manning is seeking the reports to aid in his defence.
    His lawyer also contends it was common for soldiers to add unauthorised software to their work computers. Two of the 22 counts Manning faces allege he added unauthorised programs to his work station.
    Manning's first hearing is set for 16 December at Fort Meade.



    Read more @: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/nov/28/bradley-manning-wikileaks-national-security

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    oo there goes that myth that if we release secret documents its going to cause "so much harm".. I thought if people did this kind of stuff we will all be screwed? I guess it was just another fear tactic... Oh well..

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    Re: Bradley Manning lawyer: White House review found 'leak' did no real damage

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    oo there goes that myth that if we release secret documents its going to cause "so much harm".. I thought if people did this kind of stuff we will all be screwed? I guess it was just another fear tactic... Oh well..

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    It did no real damage...this time. Besides, with the idiocy of the current regime, it's scary to think what they would consider, "real", damage.

    It's still illegal, though and Manning needs to marched to the gallows and executed for treason.
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    Re: Bradley Manning lawyer: White House review found 'leak' did no real damage

    Deciding what is and what is not damaging is waaaaaay above his pay grade. Unless it was earth shattering gospel he was stupid to leak any information...if that is what he did. He is not guilty. He hasn't gone to court yet.

    Therein lies the FIRST issue. Manning has been held for almost 2 years if memory serves me in solitary without being charged. That's wrong. That is not the action of the country I grew up in and believed in. He should have been charged long, long ago. Those rights are soon to no longer exist as the Senate passed another "security" bill today. Land of the free ain't what it used to be.

    If Manning is guilty then he deserves whatever the court decides. Up to now his rights as an American have been violated while Washington gave America the finger.










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    Re: Bradley Manning lawyer: White House review found 'leak' did no real damage

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Perhaps it did no real damage, maybe it did. But he should still be punished for what he did regardless.
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    Re: Bradley Manning lawyer: White House review found 'leak' did no real damage

    The Manning situation is absurd. He should have been taken to trial for releasing classified information, easily convicted and sentenced. The lack of real harm from the leaked documents should have been a mitigating factor in his sentencing. Justice would have been served and the law upheld. There is absolutely no reason to blatantly violate both the constitution and the UCMJ by holding him so long. Its completely insane to undermine our entire legal system to hold someone prisoner when you have him nailed on an open and shut case that will land him in prison anyway.

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    Re: Bradley Manning lawyer: White House review found 'leak' did no real damage

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The Manning situation is absurd. He should have been taken to trial for releasing classified information, easily convicted and sentenced. The lack of real harm from the leaked documents should have been a mitigating factor in his sentencing. Justice would have been served and the law upheld. There is absolutely no reason to blatantly violate both the constitution and the UCMJ by holding him so long. Its completely insane to undermine our entire legal system to hold someone prisoner when you have him nailed on an open and shut case that will land him in prison anyway.
    You would hope that any prison time he has already served would be deducted from the sentence - though I don't know what kind of sentence he will receive.
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    Re: Bradley Manning lawyer: White House review found 'leak' did no real damage

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/nov/28/bradley-manning-wikileaks-national-security

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    Doesnt matter how much harm its done...its the intent...Manning is a class A traitor and should be treated just like one.

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    Re: Bradley Manning lawyer: White House review found 'leak' did no real damage

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/nov/28/bradley-manning-wikileaks-national-security

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    Several thoughts:

    1) His lawyer claims? So it is not fact, just the claim of some one trying to make a case

    2) Even if true, "no real damage to national security" is not the same thing as "no damage".

    3) None of that changes the fact he broke the law. A drunk driver does not have to do damage to be guilty of drunk driving.

    4) He is still, thankfully, never going to ever be free again in his life. I almost regret that they no longer make big rocks into little rocks at Leavenworth.
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    Re: Bradley Manning lawyer: White House review found 'leak' did no real damage

    I would add something, but Redress about summed it up there. Actually, I would add it's a shame it's so hard to get the proper penalty for treason these days. Manning's earned it.
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    Re: Bradley Manning lawyer: White House review found 'leak' did no real damage

    was he a traitor who exposed military secrets to the detriment of our nation

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    was he a patriot who exposed wrong doing, conducted in our name, which was cloaked with security classifications

    we may know his motivations after the article 32 hearing in a couple of weeks. incarcerate the traitor. praise the whistleblower
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