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    Re: Bradley Manning lawyer: White House review found 'leak' did no real damage

    If I steal $100 from Bill Gates, it does no real damage.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Bradley Manning lawyer: White House review found 'leak' did no real damage

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    was he a traitor who exposed military secrets to the detriment of our nation

    or

    was he a patriot who exposed wrong doing, conducted in our name, which was cloaked with security classifications

    we may know his motivations after the article 32 hearing in a couple of weeks. incarcerate the traitor. praise the whistleblower
    I would still praise him if he turns out to be a true whistle blower...as I clap cuffs on him, and send him to his punishment for his crime. Illegal is illegal.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Bradley Manning lawyer: White House review found 'leak' did no real damage

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We even had the non-bleached ass wipe, that was environmentally friendly.

    I've had that, in the scouts. Good stuff, really...if it gets wet, it doesn't melt like normal TP...good to have on a canoe trip, when the idiot paddling the supply boat tips it.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Bradley Manning lawyer: White House review found 'leak' did no real damage

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    OMG!!! We spilled a teacup of diesel on the ground one time. We reported the spill, just like we were told. Then, we had to dig a 6' x 6' hole, put the dirt in sealed bags for disposal and then, replace the dirty dirt with clean dirt.

    A few weeks later, we spilled about 10 gallons...and didn't report a damn thing!

    BTW, I'm still waiting for someone to tell us which war crimes Mannings treasonist actions exposed.
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    Re: Bradley Manning lawyer: White House review found 'leak' did no real damage

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yeah, that likely wasn't the best way. As noted, there is a legal procedure to go through. And bulk records likely include things that really shouldn't be made public for valid reasons. I'm not against exposing criminal activity, or for someone taking a stand. Just do so in the open and through proper rocedures where possible. Even well meaning actions often come with consequences.
    The problem is, those proper procedures don't work. You know, there was a plan to enact terrorist acts against US citizens, on US soil, by the US government, in order to incite a war between the US and Cuba, in the early 60's. Civilians never knew about it, until FINALLY the FOIA managed to wrest it out of some vault 10 years ago. There a many other similar instances like this one, and some are worse, arguably...but they are ALL ancient history...the people responsible for them are largely all dead, after living a nice full life, on government pension after making some pretty good government cheese up to retirement. I can hardly believe that the attitudes and actions have changed all that much since then, at least, NOT for the better of the average citizen...and I can scarce imagine what else we don't know, criminal or not.

    A government, especially it's military, needs it's secrets. Truly. But when those secrets concern criminal acts, there is a problem.

    I don't propose to have a solution...whistle blower or not, the law has been broken, and the law exists for VERY good reason. It's punishment is HARSH, and again, for VERY good reason. But on the flip side, if someone DOES have some inkling of crap like what was proposed in operation north woods, I would like to not have to wait till 50 years after the fact to be able to hold the people responsible for such garbage accountable for the high crime of treason against the american public.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Bradley Manning lawyer: White House review found 'leak' did no real damage

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    The problem is, those proper procedures don't work. You know, there was a plan to enact terrorist acts against US citizens, on US soil, by the US government, in order to incite a war between the US and Cuba, in the early 60's. Civilians never knew about it, until FINALLY the FOIA managed to wrest it out of some vault 10 years ago. There a many other similar instances like this one, and some are worse, arguably...but they are ALL ancient history...the people responsible for them are largely all dead, after living a nice full life, on government pension after making some pretty good government cheese up to retirement. I can hardly believe that the attitudes and actions have changed all that much since then, at least, NOT for the better of the average citizen...and I can scarce imagine what else we don't know, criminal or not.

    A government, especially it's military, needs it's secrets. Truly. But when those secrets concern criminal acts, there is a problem.

    I don't propose to have a solution...whistle blower or not, the law has been broken, and the law exists for VERY good reason. It's punishment is HARSH, and again, for VERY good reason. But on the flip side, if someone DOES have some inkling of crap like what was proposed in operation north woods, I would like to not have to wait till 50 years after the fact to be able to hold the people responsible for such garbage accountable for the high crime of treason against the american public.
    Did he try them? Then how do you know they do not work?
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    Re: Bradley Manning lawyer: White House review found 'leak' did no real damage

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I've had that, in the scouts. Good stuff, really...if it gets wet, it doesn't melt like normal TP...good to have on a canoe trip, when the idiot paddling the supply boat tips it.
    I don't like poo-paper that is water resistent, but that's just me.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Bradley Manning lawyer: White House review found 'leak' did no real damage

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Fuel spill at sea: break out the firehose and hose down the deck.

    Fuel spill onshore: call the EPA, surround it with oil dry, spend hours cleaning it up...had one fuel truck, the nozzle broke off somehow so there was no way to shut the fuel off. The EPA fine was unreal(yes, the navy(government) pays fines to the EPA(government)).
    I'm well aware of that. A Bradley from my battalion ran over a tree, knocked it over. Turned out that the tree was home to a red cockaded wood pecker--endangered species. The fine was 10 grand.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Bradley Manning lawyer: White House review found 'leak' did no real damage

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    The problem is, those proper procedures don't work. You know, there was a plan to enact terrorist acts against US citizens, on US soil, by the US government, in order to incite a war between the US and Cuba, in the early 60's. Civilians never knew about it, until FINALLY the FOIA managed to wrest it out of some vault 10 years ago. There a many other similar instances like this one, and some are worse, arguably...but they are ALL ancient history...the people responsible for them are largely all dead, after living a nice full life, on government pension after making some pretty good government cheese up to retirement. I can hardly believe that the attitudes and actions have changed all that much since then, at least, NOT for the better of the average citizen...and I can scarce imagine what else we don't know, criminal or not.

    A government, especially it's military, needs it's secrets. Truly. But when those secrets concern criminal acts, there is a problem.

    I don't propose to have a solution...whistle blower or not, the law has been broken, and the law exists for VERY good reason. It's punishment is HARSH, and again, for VERY good reason. But on the flip side, if someone DOES have some inkling of crap like what was proposed in operation north woods, I would like to not have to wait till 50 years after the fact to be able to hold the people responsible for such garbage accountable for the high crime of treason against the american public.
    They don't work if no one uses them. You have to show that someone went through the process and was stopped. Once that happens, the person has an obligation to go public, but not with bulk documents that cover more than the needed to support the charge.

    That said, I do agree that it is difficult to face a nation, the leaders of a country. Nor do I have a perfect answer. But we should start within the legal framework before venturing outside of it.

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