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    Re: Bradley Manning lawyer: White House review found 'leak' did no real damage

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    A foreigner whose stated goal was to harm the USA. Holy ****, defining TREASON! Damn you make it too easy.
    Yea can we see a source which cites that Assange's goal was to "harm the USA"?


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    Re: Bradley Manning lawyer: White House review found 'leak' did no real damage

    Yes, better to get distracted with that side argument rather than deal with the fact that just because you liked what he exposed and think he's some hero doesn't change the fact he didn't follow the law with regards to how to go about whistleblowing.

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    Re: Bradley Manning lawyer: White House review found 'leak' did no real damage

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I dont see how exposing war crimes and acts of murder is a crime?
    They are not, and that is not what Manning is charged with. From wiki:

    The charges can be broken down as follows:

    • UCMJ 104 (Aiding the enemy): 1 count. This charge carries a potential death penalty.


    • UCMJ 92 (Failure to obey a lawful order or regulation): 9 counts. Mostly related to computers.[2][3]
      • Army Regulation 25-2, para. 4-6(k): Forbids transferring classified info to non-secure systems
      • Army Regulation 25-2, para. 4-5(a)(3): Modifying or installing unauthorized software to a system, using it for 'unintended' purposes.
      • Army Regulation 25-2, para. 4-5(a)(4): Circumventing security mechanisms
      • Army Regulation 380-5: Improper storage of Classified Information




    Total number of counts: 34
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    Re: Bradley Manning lawyer: White House review found 'leak' did no real damage

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    ok, now you have presented something of which i was unaware

    please show us the cite which proves wiki-leaks/assange's stated goal was to harm the USA
    Sure, that's EASY.

    In 2006, Mr. Assange wrote a pair of essays, "State and Terrorist Conspiracies" and "Conspiracy as Governance." He sees the U.S. as an authoritarian conspiracy. "To radically shift regime behavior we must think clearly and boldly for if we have learned anything, it is that regimes do not want to be changed," he writes. "Conspiracies take information about the world in which they operate," he writes, and "pass it around the conspirators and then act on the result."

    His central plan is that leaks will restrict the flow of information among officials—"conspirators" in his view—making government less effective. Or, as Mr. Assange puts it, "We can marginalize a conspiracy's ability to act by decreasing total conspiratorial power until it is no longer able to understand, and hence respond effectively to its environment. . . . An authoritarian conspiracy that cannot think efficiently cannot act to preserve itself."
    Crovitz: Julian Assange, Information Anarchist - WSJ.com

    He believes the US Government is bad, and wants to force it to change to his ideal view, through harming the USA until it "sees the light" and becomes a government he supports.
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    Re: Bradley Manning lawyer: White House review found 'leak' did no real damage

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Giving it to a Norwegian that runs a "exposing gov secrets site"?
    Yeah, that likely wasn't the best way. As noted, there is a legal procedure to go through. And bulk records likely include things that really shouldn't be made public for valid reasons. I'm not against exposing criminal activity, or for someone taking a stand. Just do so in the open and through proper rocedures where possible. Even well meaning actions often come with consequences.

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    Re: Bradley Manning lawyer: White House review found 'leak' did no real damage

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Sure, that's EASY.


    Crovitz: Julian Assange, Information Anarchist - WSJ.com

    He believes the US Government is bad, and wants to force it to change to his ideal view, through harming the USA until it "sees the light" and becomes a government he supports.

    then what you are showing us is the opposite. that assange/wiki-leaks is taking actions to the benefit of the USA and its citizens
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Bradley Manning lawyer: White House review found 'leak' did no real damage

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    then what you are showing us is the opposite. that assange/wiki-leaks is taking actions to the benefit of the USA and its citizens
    Except for the fact that he was acting against the United States of America's government, which is what the laws regarding treason is refernecing. If you're deranged enough in the head to think that say, blowing up a federal buliding, is "benefiting" the USA by forcing its government to change....that's still treason. Simply because you have the crazy notion in your head that taking down the U.S. Government is going to help people doesn't change the fact that you're committing treason.

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    Re: Bradley Manning lawyer: White House review found 'leak' did no real damage

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    interesting perspective
    what was the proper and specific method for someone in the military to blow the whistle about committed atrocities and violations of international conduct
    Releasing several thousand pages of other classified information isn't it.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Bradley Manning lawyer: White House review found 'leak' did no real damage

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Jesus christ. It's the military, there are procedures for how to wipe your ass(see note) for god's sake. There are procedures for everything, including specific situations like this.

    Note: military procedure for wiping ass.

    1) take one square of military issue toilet paper.

    2) fold the paper in half

    3) turn paper 90 degrees, fold the paper in half again.

    4) at the corner with the most fold, tear the corner out.

    5) place finger through corner

    6) wipe

    7) remove paper from finger, removing feces from finger as you go
    You left out step #8: Use torn off corner to clean fecal matter from under fingernail.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Bradley Manning lawyer: White House review found 'leak' did no real damage

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The guy who shot at the white house was almost certainly guilty as is Manning. The fact that nobody was hurt as a result of their actions is simply a mitigating circumstance to be used in determining their sentencing.
    The only thing that should be used in determining sentence is intent.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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