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    Re: Iran students storm UK Embassy

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    not to mention a little organization called Hezbollah.

    that being said, i would like to emphasize that There Is Nothing To See Here. the Iranian Government Is Made Up Of Civilized, Rational Actors, And Ergo Would Of Course Never Countenance Or Encourage This Kind Of Assault By Deniable Elements. Ergo, These People Can Be Trusted Not To Follow Through On Their Threats To Nuke Israel. Move Along, Move Along, Nothing To See Here.
    Whipping people into a frenzy to make them hate foreign governments and increase your own legitimacy is far different from starting a nuclear exchange.
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    Re: Iran students storm UK Embassy

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill, replying to Karl View Post
    [...] But you feel free to continue defending Iran. You are in good company with Russia, China, and North Korea.
    Speaking of strawmen . . . . . . and ad hominems. Signs of desperation?
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    Re: Iran students storm UK Embassy

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Whipping people into a frenzy to make them hate foreign governments and increase your own legitimacy is far different from starting a nuclear exchange.
    yes. Because Iran Would Never Share Nuclear Technology With Fellow Psychos.


    you people keep forgetting that Iran can nuke people at will. Because Allah will protect them from counterstrike, as the Holy Cities of Najaf and Qom are key to the return of the 12th Imam.

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    Re: Iran students storm UK Embassy

    There really isn't any indication that this was government sanctioned, and in fact I think that this hurts the overall Iranian government's interests. The Independent Islamic Student Association took credit for the attack, but many have suspected the activists of being Basij. This is certainly a possibility but even if so the Basij are not really a centrally organized organization with a strict hierarchy, meaning that even making a stretch and assuming this to be true that it was at most organized by a lower level group perhaps even outside of the government entirely.

    Foreign Minister Salehi has said that he hopes that normalized relations will return in the near future. The Iranian government hasn't made any indication of supporting such a radical move. All signs point to a completely autonomously organized event, at the very most. Though I think it's pretty obvious that this was not organized by anyone in the government, particularly because of the police attempts to break it up.

    In any event it is obvious that Ahmedinejad opposes such an action, as does Ayatollah Khamenei.
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    Re: Iran students storm UK Embassy

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    [...] you people keep forgetting that Iran can nuke people at will. [...]
    I'd even forgotten that Iran possessed nuclear weapons... but then I return to DP, and I am reminded

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    Re: Iran students storm UK Embassy

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    I'd even forgotten that Iran possessed nuclear weapons... but then I return to DP, and I am reminded
    Military intelligence would know, wouldn't they?
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    Re: Iran students storm UK Embassy

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    yes. Because Iran Would Never Share Nuclear Technology With Fellow Psychos.


    you people keep forgetting that Iran can nuke people at will. Because Allah will protect them from counterstrike, as the Holy Cities of Najaf and Qom are key to the return of the 12th Imam.
    I didn't say that they like Israel. I simply said that the leaders want to remain in control. This is difficult when you prompt a nuclear exchange that would flatten your country. Theocrats rarely believe everything they say. It's all about control.
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    Re: Iran students storm UK Embassy

    Deja vu all over again. Those whacky Iranians just never learn.

    The Brits have already closed down their Tehran Embassy and kicked the Iranian diplomats out of the UK. Also, I hope Iran enjoys the new sanctions issued against it by the EU.

    Sometimes I think Iran is trying to force someone, anyone, to throw a missle at them so they can cry to Russia and China that they need to be rescued from the big, bad West. The only country willing to risk WW3 over Iran is possibly Israel, which stands the most to lose when Iran goes nuclear. Pretty much every other country can be counted on to turn Iran into glowing green glass if it lets a nuke loose on Israel... but Israel won't be in a position to care by then.

    My opinion is that this was a carefully crafted event, planned by the Iranian government in order to show how much control they have over their country by beating back the protesters... eventually... and saving the day. But it backfired badly, because nobody, including the Brits, was buying the BS that Iran was trying to sell. TPTB in Iran have to realize that the rest of the world doesn't believe every word uttered on state tv, as does their own brain-washed populace. The only way Iran will ever have the global relevance it craves is if it can form an extremist collalition with Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria, and begin a systematic assault on vulnerable, non-allied countries in the region. And I don't see the US, UK, or EU, sitting back to let that happen.

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    Re: Iran students storm UK Embassy

    Sometimes I think Iran is trying to force someone, anyone, to throw a missle at them so they can cry to Russia and China that they need to be rescued from the big, bad West. The only country willing to risk WW3 over Iran is possibly Israel, which stands the most to lose when Iran goes nuclear. Pretty much every other country can be counted on to turn Iran into glowing green glass if it lets a nuke loose on Israel... but Israel won't be in a position to care by then.

    My opinion is that this was a carefully crafted event, planned by the Iranian government in order to show how much control they have over their country by beating back the protesters... eventually... and saving the day. But it backfired badly, because nobody, including the Brits, was buying the BS that Iran was trying to sell. TPTB in Iran have to realize that the rest of the world doesn't believe every word uttered on state tv, as does their own brain-washed populace. The only way Iran will ever have the global relevance it craves is if it can form an extremist collalition with Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria, and begin a systematic assault on vulnerable, non-allied countries in the region. And I don't see the US, UK, or EU, sitting back to let that happen.
    And this is complete ungrounded speculation that flies in the face of reality, considering that Ahmedinejad and Khamenei are interested in closer dealings with the west and not isolating themselves.
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    Re: Iran students storm UK Embassy

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    And this is complete ungrounded speculation that flies in the face of reality, considering that Ahmedinejad and Khamenei are interested in closer dealings with the west and not isolating themselves.
    Why indeed it is, since comments prefaced with statements like, "Sometimes I think..." and "My opinion..." by definition means that I am speculating. We are all speculating, including yourself, since none of us have backdoor channels to Iran's governmental elites. I dare say the second bolded statement, your personal speculation, flies in the face of everything they have said and done publicly in the past decades, including the forcible capture of 12 CIA assets last week, which will no doubt lead to those individuals never being seen again.

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