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    Re: Iran students storm UK Embassy

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    not to mention a little organization called Hezbollah.

    that being said, i would like to emphasize that There Is Nothing To See Here. the Iranian Government Is Made Up Of Civilized, Rational Actors, And Ergo Would Of Course Never Countenance Or Encourage This Kind Of Assault By Deniable Elements. Ergo, These People Can Be Trusted Not To Follow Through On Their Threats To Nuke Israel. Move Along, Move Along, Nothing To See Here.
    Exactly. Unfortunately, the fear mongers on the hard right will irrationally disagree.

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    Re: Iran students storm UK Embassy

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    You need to read the EMP Commission report. It details how Iran, or any relatively small country, ould easily bring the US to its knees with a small nuclear weapon.
    You need to read the report

    For example, a single nuclear weapon detonated at an altitude of 500 kilometers could produce an EMP that would blanket the entire continental United States [...]

    The Electromagnetic Pulse Commission Warns of an Old Threat with a New Face
    Please explain how Iran is going to put an atomic bomb at an altitude of 312 miles above the U.S.?

    Then, for extra credit, explain how we will not detect the ballistic missile launch?

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    Re: Iran students storm UK Embassy

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    You need to read the report
    I have........come back when you've taken an hour or so to read it. Until then you are not qualified to discuss it.


    Please explain how Iran is going to put an atomic bomb at an altitude of 312 miles above the U.S.?
    The Shahab-3 is a medium-range ballistic missile (MRBM) developed by Iran and based on the Nodong-1. The Shahab-3 has a range of 1,280 kilometres (800 mi); a MRBM variant can now reach 1,930 kilometres (1,200 mi).[4] It was tested from 1998 to 2003 and added to the military arsenal on July 7, 2003, with an official unveiling by Ayatollah Khamenei on July 20.
    And, it doesn't have to be 300 miles above the ground. An explosion as low as 125 miles up would still have a crippling affect, but with a smaller footprint.

    Then, for extra credit, explain how we will not detect the ballistic missile launch?
    Here's some extra credit for you:

    What exactly could we do to stop a missile launched 50 miles offshore that is traveling at mach 7 ????

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    Re: Iran students storm UK Embassy

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I have........come back when you've taken an hour or so to read it. Until then you are not qualified to discuss it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    And, it doesn't have to be 300 miles above the ground. An explosion as low as 125 miles up would still have a crippling affect, but with a smaller footprint.
    Please explain how Iran is going to put an atomic bomb at an altitude of 125 miles above the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    What exactly could we do to stop a missile launched 50 miles offshore that is traveling at mach 7 ????
    Iran has SLBM capability?

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    Re: Iran students storm UK Embassy

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post



    Please explain how Iran is going to put an atomic bomb at an altitude of 125 miles above the U.S.?


    Iran has SLBM capability?
    No responses I see. I didn't really expect any.

    Ignorance is bliss, right ???

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    Re: Iran students storm UK Embassy

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Iranian protest leads to embassy incursion - CNN.com

    The Iranian security forces are currently working to secure the Embassy back from the protestors, but it wouldn't be a stretch of the imagination to suggest that someone in the Iranian government encouraged this incident to occur and at the very least failed to protect the embassy in accordance with international law.

    I would be equally disgusted if the Iranian embassy was over run in London by British students, Diplomats, Embassy Staff and Embassies are not fair game in my honest opinion.
    I wonder, nowadays, why it is required to spend vast sums on keeping persons in foreign parts, who often have no serious purpose but spying. Given the shacking history of UK conduct toward Iran, it seems especially pointless.

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    Re: Iran students storm UK Embassy

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    No responses I see. I didn't really expect any. Ignorance is bliss, right ???
    Since you cannot explain your preposterous claims with regards to Iran, I guess it is
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    Re: Iran students storm UK Embassy

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Since you cannot explain your preposterous claims with regards to Iran, I guess it is
    Preposterous ??? I guess Congress thought the possibility was preposterous when they formed the EMP Commission to asses the situation???

    Here is some reading material for you. I don't expect you to read it since you didn't bother to read any of the EMP Commission report, but others that don't have their heads stuck up their ass might enjoy reading about the problem.

    Consider Iran. For the past decade, Iran -- with the assistance of Russia, China and North Korea -- has been developing missile technology. Iranian Defense Minister Ali Shamkhani announced in 2004 their ability to mass produce the Shahab-3 missile capable of carrying a lethal payload to Israel or -- if launched from a ship -- to an American city.

    The current controversy over Iran's nuclear production is really about whether it is capable of producing nuclear warheads. This possibility is made more urgent by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's statement in 2005: "Is it possible for us to witness a world without America and Zionism? But you had best know that this slogan and this goal are attainable, and surely can be achieved."

    Mr. Ahmadinejad takes seriously, even if the average Iranian does not, radical Islam's goal of converting, subjugating or destroying the infidel peoples -- first and foremost the citizens of the U.S. and Israel. Even after 9/11, we appear not to take that threat seriously. We should.

    Think about this scenario: An ordinary-looking freighter ship heading toward New York or Los Angeles launches a missile from its hull or from a canister lowered into the sea. It hits a densely populated area. A million people are incinerated. The ship is then sunk. No one claims responsibility. There is no firm evidence as to who sponsored the attack, and thus no one against whom to launch a counterstrike.

    But as terrible as that scenario sounds, there is one that is worse. Let us say the freighter ship launches a nuclear-armed Shahab-3 missile off the coast of the U.S. and the missile explodes 300 miles over Chicago. The nuclear detonation in space creates an electromagnetic pulse (EMP).

    Gamma rays from the explosion, through the Compton Effect, generate three classes of disruptive electromagnetic pulses, which permanently destroy consumer electronics, the electronics in some automobiles and, most importantly, the hundreds of large transformers that distribute power throughout the U.S. All of our lights, refrigerators, water-pumping stations, TVs and radios stop running. We have no communication and no ability to provide food and water to 300 million Americans.
    What a Single Nuclear Warhead Could Do - WSJ.com


    The May edition of Jane’s Missiles and Rockets reports that recent missile tests by Iran may have been part of the development of an Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) warhead. Jane’s cites testimony from the Senate Committee on the Judiciary’s Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology, and Homeland Security from March 8, 2005, by Peter Pry and Lowell Wood. Wood is a member of the Congressional EMP Commission, which released its important report on the EMP threat in July 2004.
    Some of Iran’s tests of its Shahab-3 had been terminated before the completion of their ballistic trajectories, that is, exploding in mid-flight by what appeared to be a self-destruct mechanism. Iran has nevertheless described the tests as fully “successful.” Pry noted that the apparent contradiction would make sense “if Iran were practicing the execution of an EMP attack.” Lowell Wood is quoted as having testified to the subcommittee that such an attack upon the United States could keep off most electrical functions for a time period of a few hours or decades, depending on how it was executed. Wood also warned the subcommittee that such an EMP warhead could be delivered against the United States by “a Scud missile launched from a freighter off the Atlantic coast.”
    MissileThreat :: Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Weapons

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    Re: Iran students storm UK Embassy

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Preposterous ??? [...]
    Yes, preposterous, since Iran does not possess a working atomic bomb, and as your revised argument shows, no non-detectable way to deliver one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill, in post #28 View Post
    An EMP attack could be easily hidden so that no conclusive evidence of the attacker could be found for years following the attack. We can't retaliate if we have no proof.

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    Re: Iran students storm UK Embassy

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Yes, preposterous, since Iran does not possess a working atomic bomb, and as your revised argument shows, no non-detectable way to deliver one.
    Duh, great analysis.

    This is why Iran cannot be ALLOWED to become nuclear. Your strawman argument was a waste of time.

    And you obviously didn't read any of it.............again. The articles show clearly that a missile could be launched offshore and not detected until it was launched, which would be too late.

    But you feel free to continue defending Iran. You are in good company with Russia, China, and North Korea.

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