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    Re: Idea of civilians using drone aircraft may soon fly with FAA

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes and it'll be a long time before they make it into your home or your earlobe. Chill son. Slippery slopes aren't your forte.



    General Atomics MQ-1 Predator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Price of a drone: 4-10 million + repairs, operator salaries, mechanics, etc.

    http://www.robinsonheli.com/price_li..._pricelist.pdf

    Price of a helicopter: 300-600K + pilot, repairs, mechanics, etc.

    It seems as if the cost of purchasing/operating just 1 drone is far higher than that of 1 police helicopter. So "having a ****load of these things" flying around would be unthinkable for any police department unless they plan on downsizing man power considerably.
    Sure when you compare one of the most expensive UAS's to one of the least expensive manned rotary wing aircraft. The mission packages are what worry me, not the aircraft.
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    Re: Idea of civilians using drone aircraft may soon fly with FAA

    I think the military has so many different types of drones that it is hard to say decisively who is flying them. In the US Army, there are jobs for Drone pilots. Some fly drones for target practice (ADA) and other fly drones for surveillance. All are "pilots", not all in the Air Force.
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    Re: Idea of civilians using drone aircraft may soon fly with FAA

    I think that'd be pretty neat, to have my own drone, 'cause I hate freeway traffic, and it would be really cool to fly to work.
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    Re: Idea of civilians using drone aircraft may soon fly with FAA

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Military drones (US/Israel) are piloted by Air Force fighter pilots. Unless there is a very low flight ceiling, a civilian drone pilot would need FAA certification.
    The entire UAS FAA certification process has been very long and the military was a big proponent of it so they could fly from base to base, and overseas. They were stuck in military airspace CONUS until this was worked out.
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    Re: Idea of civilians using drone aircraft may soon fly with FAA

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    I think that'd be pretty neat, to have my own drone, 'cause I hate freeway traffic, and it would be really cool to fly to work.
    Uhh.....drones are unmanned.
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    Re: Idea of civilians using drone aircraft may soon fly with FAA

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Uhh.....drones are unmanned.
    Yeah, well .. sure .. okay ...
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    Re: Idea of civilians using drone aircraft may soon fly with FAA

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes and it'll be a long time before they make it into your home or your earlobe. Chill son. Slippery slopes aren't your forte.
    It will not be a long time before they have these things everywhere. The government should not be allowed at all to spy on the people.


    General Atomics MQ-1 Predator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Price of a drone: 4-10 million + repairs, operator salaries, mechanics, etc.

    www.robinsonheli.com/price_lists_eocs/r44_1_pricelist.pdf

    Price of a helicopter: 300-600K + pilot, repairs, mechanics, etc.

    It seems as if the cost of purchasing/operating just 1 drone is far higher than that of 1 police helicopter. So "having a ****load of these things" flying around would be unthinkable for any police department unless they plan on downsizing man power considerably.
    The drones the military use are large, armed,fly long distances and meant to be controlled from thousands of miles away. Plus the fact the military is the only customer of drones that means these currently are expensive. A civilian law enforcement application means that these things do not need to be flown from thousands of miles away. They do not need to be large. Nor do they need to fly for thousands of miles. Which means they can be made cheaper for civilian applications and civilian law enforcement use. Its like the difference between a factory grade table saw that may cost thousands of dollars made for a cabinet making company of dollars and a cheap 100 dollar or less table saw made by Skil or Ryobi for the hobbyist carpenter. These drones will become cheaper,smaller,possibly automated and therefore more numerous.
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    Re: Idea of civilians using drone aircraft may soon fly with FAA

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It will not be a long time before they have these things everywhere. The government should not be allowed at all to spy on the people.



    The drones the military use are large, armed,fly long distances and meant to be controlled from thousands of miles away Plus the fact the military is the only customer of drones that means these currently are expensive. A civilian law enforcement application means that these things do not need to be flown from thousands of miles away. They do not need to be large. Nor do they need to fly for thousands of miles. Which means they can be made cheaper for civilian applications and civilian law enforcement use. Its like the difference between a factory grade table saw that may cost thousands of dollars made for a cabinet making company of dollars and a cheap 100 dollar or less table saw made by Skil or Ryobi for the hobbyist carpenter. These drones will become cheaper,smaller,possibly automated and therefore more numerous.
    Not disagreeing here, but there are already cheaper, smaller UAS's out there that the military uses. Hatuey's comparison is specious. Law enforcement couldn't even begin to own a predator class UAS. The Marines have backpack sized UAS's and there are very tiny ones in the works that are powered remotely by microwave. These small one could pose a privacy issue since they could potentially fly at street level undetected. So I modify my previous statement about worrying more about the mission packages to account for this small size class. However, hopefully we would be protected by the 4th Amendment for unreasonable searches if the time came.
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    Re: Idea of civilians using drone aircraft may soon fly with FAA

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Not disagreeing here, but there are already cheaper, smaller UAS's out there that the military uses. Hatuey's comparison is specious. Law enforcement couldn't even begin to own a predator class UAS. The Marines have backpack sized UAS's and there are very tiny ones in the works that are powered remotely by microwave. These small one could pose a privacy issue since they could potentially fly at street level undetected. So I modify my previous statement about worrying more about the mission packages to account for this small size class. However, hopefully we would be protected by the 4th Amendment for unreasonable searches if the time came.
    A lot of people think the 4th amendment only applies if you are inside your home with the windows shut, just look at any thread about the virtual strip searches and invasive pat downs at airports.
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    Re: Idea of civilians using drone aircraft may soon fly with FAA

    Comming to an OWS protest near you:



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    I could see civilean drones being very good at delivering important parcels at a high price. Would need a damn wide network for it all though.

    There would need to be safeguards that prevent the drones from flying over homes though (privacy and accident prevention).

    And the second you weaponize them or make them explode it would be crossing the line.

    I could imagine drug dealers also tapping into submarine or flying drones to decrease their chances of getting caught in a scene. Plug in the destination with the recieving person having the locater.

    I imagine flying drones would make border patrol much more efficient.

    Its almost a garentee that this technology will be abused but, then again everything and anything can be abused.
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