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    Re: New Post-Accident Chevy Volt Engine Fires Prompt Investigation Read more: http:/

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Wow, you guys are crazy. You'll look for any reason to hate a product that goes against your ideology, eh? Did you guys want to quit gas engines when Toyota's cars began having their accelerators stick? Probably not, because that's ****ing retarded.

    Look at yourselves.
    You guys? I do not see everyone attacking it.

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    Re: New Post-Accident Chevy Volt Engine Fires Prompt Investigation Read more: http:/

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That does it.

    Electric cars suck wind. What a bunch of bozos pursuing a technology that's so obviously unsafe. I can't believe our government is actually offering a rebate on them. Somebody's getting rich off this -- and I can absolutely assure you it's not my side. Jerks.

    Oh, wait:



    Hold on . . .



    Whoa!!!!



    It's quite obvious to me that automobiles are inherently unsafe. For all of those who touted automobiles as the next best thing to sliced bread, it would seem they have issues. Let's outlaw 'em!
    No, lets stop gov't subsidizing them! How does that sound?

    Major fail. Pintos and Toyotas were not subsidized by the taxpayer.

    HUGE Difference.

    When I am forced to give my taxpayer dollars to someone who buys one of these pieces of **** and find out they have a major safety flaw, I have a right to complain and complain loudly. Did you ever stop to think that if it was such good technology and if it was such a good ****ing car, that you wouldn't need your gov't to step in and pay for part of the damn thing? Good ideas are self sufficient.....i.e....the internal combustion vehicle. (and don't bring up bailouts of the auto industry, that was caused by unions and slow sales because of the economy, not because the engine driven car is a bad idea)
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    Re: New Post-Accident Chevy Volt Engine Fires Prompt Investigation Read more: http:/

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Major fail. Pintos and Toyotas were not subsidized by the taxpayer.

    HUGE Difference.
    I fail to see a huge difference. At all. Do you think that magically adding taxpayer money to the mix makes a car manufacturer infallible? No. I didn't think so. Recalls are recalls. Bugs are bugs. What's the big deal?
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    Re: New Post-Accident Chevy Volt Engine Fires Prompt Investigation Read more: http:/

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    No, lets stop gov't subsidizing them! How does that sound?

    Major fail. Pintos and Toyotas were not subsidized by the taxpayer.

    HUGE Difference.

    When I am forced to give my taxpayer dollars to someone who buys one of these pieces of **** and find out they have a major safety flaw, I have a right to complain and complain loudly. Did you ever stop to think that if it was such good technology and if it was such a good ****ing car, that you wouldn't need your gov't to step in and pay for part of the damn thing? Good ideas are self sufficient.....i.e....the internal combustion vehicle. (and don't bring up bailouts of the auto industry, that was caused by unions and slow sales because of the economy, not because the engine driven car is a bad idea)
    Toyota (and Ford, and Honda, and GM) hybrids were subsidized. Sometimes the auto industry needs a kick in the ass to move in the right direction (see seatbelts, air bags, catalytic converters).

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    Re: New Post-Accident Chevy Volt Engine Fires Prompt Investigation Read more: http:/

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Toyota (and Ford, and Honda, and GM) hybrids were subsidized. Sometimes the auto industry needs a kick in the ass to move in the right direction (see seatbelts, air bags, catalytic converters).
    I do not believe any of these were subsidized. The reason for this is they know that if they drag their feet long enough the taxpayers will be forced to fund their research because of all of the hoops anyone that wanted to compete have to jump through.

    Cars made their place because of individuals believing they could do better. In many cases they did, in some they didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I do not believe any of these were subsidized. The reason for this is they know that if they drag their feet long enough the taxpayers will be forced to fund their research because of all of the hoops anyone that wanted to compete have to jump through.

    Cars made their place because of individuals believing they could do better. In many cases they did, in some they didn't.
    Hybrids were absolutely subsidized. I've got a tax rebate to prove it. Seatbelts, air bags, and catalytic converters were straight-out mandated, which is a damned-site more intrusive than offering small subsidies.

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    Re: New Post-Accident Chevy Volt Engine Fires Prompt Investigation Read more: http:/

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    No, lets stop gov't subsidizing them! How does that sound?

    Major fail. Pintos and Toyotas were not subsidized by the taxpayer.

    HUGE Difference.

    When I am forced to give my taxpayer dollars to someone who buys one of these pieces of **** and find out they have a major safety flaw, I have a right to complain and complain loudly. Did you ever stop to think that if it was such good technology and if it was such a good ****ing car, that you wouldn't need your gov't to step in and pay for part of the damn thing? Good ideas are self sufficient.....i.e....the internal combustion vehicle. (and don't bring up bailouts of the auto industry, that was caused by unions and slow sales because of the economy, not because the engine driven car is a bad idea)
    BTW only two have caught fire. And there are over 5,000 of them produced. Not a very big number.

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    Re: New Post-Accident Chevy Volt Engine Fires Prompt Investigation Read more: http:/

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Hybrids were absolutely subsidized. I've got a tax rebate to prove it. Seatbelts, air bags, and catalytic converters were straight-out mandated, which is a damned-site more intrusive than offering small subsidies.
    But they were not subsidized. I understand CAFE standards. The manufacturers will have to figure out how to reach them.

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    Re: New Post-Accident Chevy Volt Engine Fires Prompt Investigation Read more: http:/

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    If we ever achieve a certain necessary breakthrough in battery technology, then I expect to see the internal combustion engine become obsolete. A pure electric car is much more efficient than a gasoline-powered one, and at least in theory, can be simpler, more durable, and more reliable.

    The big problem is the battery. In terms of how much energy can be stored in a given weight and volume, we don't have any battery technology that comes anywhere close to gasoline.

    My forklift is electric. Its battery weights about 3500 pounds—more than most cars. I've calculated that this battery's energy capacity is about equal to about a gallon and a third of gasoline. And when run down, it takes hours to fully recharge it. Imagine trying to travel using a car that only carried a gallon and a third of gasoline, and took hours to refuel.

    The Volt is a way to compromise. A battery to get you as far as it can go on that, and a gasoline-fueled engine to take you anywhere beyond that. But we'll never enjoy the full benefits of an electric car until we have one that can achieve a usable range without having to carry a separate internal-combustion-powered drive train as the Volt does.
    Bear in mind that your forklift uses lead acid batteries, the heaviest and least energy dense of available battery technologies.

    Batteries have come a long way, and the type of hybrid the Volt is, electric with an auxiliary generator, is IMO the best type.

    The reason is that it can be "easily" adapted to other fuel sources, as the APU can be designed to run on any fuel, so you could have diesel Volts or CNG Volts or straw ethanol/methanol Volts without having to re-engineer the entire vehicle.

    Add to that the fact it can be used exclusively electrically to the extent that it has a system to warn you that your gas is getting "old". If you live within thirty miles or so from your work, and can arrange to charge it at work, you can commute completely electrically.

    I'm pretty sure ALL cars will be electric in the future. And when they get more of the bugs out you will almost certainly like it. 100% of available torque from zero rpm to redline. Check out an "Electric Draggin" event if you get a chance. Plenty of testosterone to go around. Quiet environmentally sound motorsports.
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    Re: New Post-Accident Chevy Volt Engine Fires Prompt Investigation Read more: http:/

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    It is difficult to store however they have managed to find a way to do it in California. They have hydrogen fueling stations there already.

    Yes a hydrogen internal combustion engine isnt all that efficient but a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle is 100-200% more efficient then a gasoline ICE.
    Bear in mind though that most "hydrogen infrastructure" plans are based on using natural gas as a source of hydrogen. Trafing one fossil fuel for another.

    Hydrogen isn't a "fuel", it is much more akin to a battery in that it either takes energy to produce or is "extracted" from an existing fuel source. There are no hydrogen mines or wells.

    Electricity, on the other hand, can be generated in any number of ways and an electric vehicle doesn't care where the electrons come from. Allowing new sources to be used without requiring our vehicle fleets to be changed to accommodate it.
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