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    Re: "Competitive Shopping" Cited in Wal-Mart Pepper Spray Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    This right here is why I won't go into crowded places without a handgun on my person.
    This right here is what gives gun owners a bad name.
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    Re: "Competitive Shopping" Cited in Wal-Mart Pepper Spray Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    This right here is what gives gun owners a bad name.
    Oh, and why is that? I have carried a gun probably 75% of the time I've been out of my home for more than a decade without ever drawing it, Maggie. There have been two occasions where I have thought I might need to, but thankfully both were able to be dealt with via other means.

    I have ZERO faith in my fellow human beings. I understand that nobody out there is looking out for ME except ME. To that end I expect to be the one who walks away IF it ever gets to a point where I am involved in an altercation. That's just simple common sense so far as I'm concerned.

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    Re: "Competitive Shopping" Cited in Wal-Mart Pepper Spray Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Oh, and why is that? I have carried a gun probably 75% of the time I've been out of my home for more than a decade without ever drawing it, Maggie. There have been two occasions where I have thought I might need to, but thankfully both were able to be dealt with via other means.

    I have ZERO faith in my fellow human beings. I understand that nobody out there is looking out for ME except ME. To that end I expect to be the one who walks away IF it ever gets to a point where I am involved in an altercation. That's just simple common sense so far as I'm concerned.
    You do realize that you implied you would draw your gun at the lady with the pepper spray don't you? It's not just this particular post that drew me to that conclusion, though. You often post in bravado when the topic of guns comes up. I realize you're proud of your knowledge of guns and your ability to carry in your state. (Can't in Illinois.) I'm actually rather envious because I assume you really do know how to use it and are completely comfortable with it. I have a .38 at home. Got it right after 9/11. Took classes; did some target shooting. But I'm not proficient. I keep it in a locked drawer, unloaded, trigger locked, and a firing pin blocker (whatever that thingie is called). And because of all that, I probably shouldn't even own one.
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    Re: "Competitive Shopping" Cited in Wal-Mart Pepper Spray Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You do realize that you implied you would draw your gun at the lady with the pepper spray don't you? It's not just this particular post that drew me to that conclusion, though. You often post in bravado when the topic of guns comes up. I realize you're proud of your knowledge of guns and your ability to carry in your state. (Can't in Illinois.) I'm actually rather envious because I assume you really do know how to use it and are completely comfortable with it. I have a .38 at home. Got it right after 9/11. Took classes; did some target shooting. But I'm not proficient. I keep it in a locked drawer, unloaded, trigger locked, and a firing pin blocker (whatever that thingie is called). And because of all that, I probably shouldn't even own one.
    Good for you Maggie! And the really sad thing is that it is not only Tigger with this macho itchy trigger attitude when these type of things come up. There are times that some here are just drooling in anticipatory glee that they just might get to shoot somebody and all those target practice sessions pay off.
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    Re: "Competitive Shopping" Cited in Wal-Mart Pepper Spray Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You do realize that you implied you would draw your gun at the lady with the pepper spray don't you? It's not just this particular post that drew me to that conclusion, though. You often post in bravado when the topic of guns comes up. I realize you're proud of your knowledge of guns and your ability to carry in your state. (Can't in Illinois.) I'm actually rather envious because I assume you really do know how to use it and are completely comfortable with it. I have a .38 at home. Got it right after 9/11. Took classes; did some target shooting. But I'm not proficient. I keep it in a locked drawer, unloaded, trigger locked, and a firing pin blocker (whatever that thingie is called). And because of all that, I probably shouldn't even own one.
    I am quite well aware of what I have implied. In fact I was very blunt about what I would have done, and I will not deny it. I have no problem with the idea of having to do what's necessary if the situation were to arise. That doesn't mean I ever WANT to have to shoot anyone. It just means that I have become comfortable with the fact that carrying a gun does mean that potential is increased.

    My question for you would be.... Why did you get the gun? Was it for protection? If so, then it is doing you no good in the state it is currently in, and you'd be better off selling it.


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    Good for you Maggie! And the really sad thing is that it is not only Tigger with this macho itchy trigger attitude when these type of things come up. There are times that some here are just drooling in anticipatory glee that they just might get to shoot somebody and all those target practice sessions pay off.
    No, there are very few people out there drooling in anticipation of having to shoot anyone. I am not included in that number. However, when I decided to carry a gun I spent an extensive amount of time contemplating whether or not I could actually use it. I read about the topic. I spoke to others who carry a gun. I spoke with some of the most well-known individuals in the self-defense industry. After doing that I came to the conclusion that I could and would use the gun IF NECESSARY. I do not fear the gun I carry, like so many seem to. It's a tool. Nothing more.

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    Re: "Competitive Shopping" Cited in Wal-Mart Pepper Spray Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I am quite well aware of what I have implied. In fact I was very blunt about what I would have done, and I will not deny it. I have no problem with the idea of having to do what's necessary if the situation were to arise. That doesn't mean I ever WANT to have to shoot anyone. It just means that I have become comfortable with the fact that carrying a gun does mean that potential is increased.

    My question for you would be.... Why did you get the gun? Was it for protection? If so, then it is doing you no good in the state it is currently in, and you'd be better off selling it.
    I got it for protection. You may be right that I should sell it, though. I have brought it out on a few occasions -- when someone has rung my doorbell late in the night, as an example. In that case, I've gone to the door with it. But then only after finding the key that unlocks the drawer, undoing the trigger lock, taking out the firing pin blocky-thingy and loading it. Those that were still there after I did all of that got greeted by me gun in hand. How ridiculous.

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    Re: "Competitive Shopping" Cited in Wal-Mart Pepper Spray Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Had the shopping experience not been frenzied and crowded, the pepper spraying would not have happened. Frustration.

    Greed exists as a solitary condition (no external trigger needed).

    Barbarism, I could maybe go there. Mob mentality and all... if she had pepper sprayed someone, then grabbed a $9.95 umbrella ($4.95 on sale, $2.95 between midnight and 1:00 AM only, designer colors) and repeatedly stabbed the victim until entrails were rent upon the floor, then yeah -- barbarism
    As another example of barbarism, a 61-year old man collapsed in a Charleston Target, and most shoppers just stepped around and over him.

    UPDATE: Man Dies on Black Friday; Shoppers Unfazed

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    Re: "Competitive Shopping" Cited in Wal-Mart Pepper Spray Attack

    Maggie, that's not an effective self-defense strategy. From our conversations over time I'm not even confident that you would or could pull the trigger on another human being. I'd doubt you've even seriously considered that idea. Please do so. If you can't, please get rid of the gun for your own safety.

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    Re: "Competitive Shopping" Cited in Wal-Mart Pepper Spray Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    As another example of barbarism, a 61-year old man collapsed in a Charleston Target, and most shoppers just stepped around and over him.

    UPDATE: Man Dies on Black Friday; Shoppers Unfazed
    That is disgusting. The least people can do is call for help, there is no excuse for allowing someone to die so you can keep shopping. Some people don't even deserve to call themselves human. At least an off duty nurse and paramedic tried to help, but who knows how long he went without attention and if that was what caused his condition to elevate to fatal.
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