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"Competitive Shopping" Cited in Wal-Mart Pepper Spray Attack

This wasn't about frustration; it was about greed and barbarism.
Had the shopping experience not been frenzied and crowded, the pepper spraying would not have happened. Frustration.

Greed exists as a solitary condition (no external trigger needed).

Barbarism, I could maybe go there. Mob mentality and all... if she had pepper sprayed someone, then grabbed a $9.95 umbrella ($4.95 on sale, $2.95 between midnight and 1:00 AM only, designer colors) and repeatedly stabbed the victim until entrails were rent upon the floor, then yeah -- barbarism ;)
 
So i was at Wal-mart last night among other places(went with my aunt's, uncle, and mom) and it just seems like Walmart wants people to fight, and get hurt. Atleast where I was at, they had things stacked up on pallets, and people would stand around them and wait for them to actually go on sale, and then people would just pile on them, and go at it. It was crazy, and the other stores just weren't like that. Not surprising stuff like this happens.

This is true - I've never seen it but I've seen them setting up displays in stores.

If they were remotely concerned about safety and orderliness they'd forgo anything that would invite a massive crowd - doing things online with a ticker system would be most ideal.
 
This is true - I've never seen it but I've seen them setting up displays in stores.

If they were remotely concerned about safety and orderliness they'd forgo anything that would invite a massive crowd - doing things online with a ticker system would be most ideal.

That or they could just form a line, and give out tickets for things on sale. They were doing that for some items last night(my aunts stayed in line for 2 hours for digital cameras), but other items, especially the movies, and games, were freaking insane. There were atleast 4 fights while we were there. People be crazy :lol:
 
That's absolutely insane. The crowd is bad enough... and the reason I don't do the Black Friday thing... but for some dumb bitch to think she can spray her way through innocent shoppers to get an X-Box is beyond insane. I seriously hope they catch her and charge her with assault. If someone like me had been in the way of that spray, they'd have been dead within minutes when their lungs seized up. What if someone suffered from asthma or allergic reaction? These aren't protestors facing off with cops and understanding that they may feel the brunt of non-lethal weapons if they refuse to obey dispursement orders.

Seriously, this woman should spend Xmas in jail. :2mad:
 
How about "Blow your way to the front"? I think that selfish "me above all others" **** would quickly cease.

BJ for $100 off for Xbox, less taxes? Ethics and morals suddenly kick in, no?
 
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What is disgusting? On various messageboards I visit people are making jokes and acting as if this is funny. I want everyone that finds this funny to be sprayed with pepper spray and see if they are still laughing.
 
Can "class" be taught?

At least parenting classes can be taught, which is why I hope that the ubiquitous cameras will end up identifying the pepper-spraying woman, who had her kids with her.
Interesting question. Yes, I do think manners can be taught, leading to classier people. Of course it requires the desire to learn, so.......I dunno, we definitely need to do something to improve the general public decorum if this kind of stuff is going to keep happening.
 
That or they could just form a line, and give out tickets for things on sale. They were doing that for some items last night(my aunts stayed in line for 2 hours for digital cameras), but other items, especially the movies, and games, were freaking insane. There were atleast 4 fights while we were there. People be crazy :lol:

Well with this last part I believe you've really come to the apex of the issue: the people.

I hereby propose a solution to the problem: mass genocide. Without people there can be no such violence, now can there? I know it's a lot to ask of the common, underprivileged, underclass, incapable, poor and uneducated who compose the 99% but I feel it is for the best and I am more than willing to do my part and contribute.
 
This right here is why I won't go into crowded places without a handgun on my person.
 
This right here is why I won't go into crowded places without a handgun on my person.

I suppose she decided that she wasn't going to go into a crowded place without pepper spray on her person.
 
This right here is what gives gun owners a bad name.

Oh, and why is that? I have carried a gun probably 75% of the time I've been out of my home for more than a decade without ever drawing it, Maggie. There have been two occasions where I have thought I might need to, but thankfully both were able to be dealt with via other means.

I have ZERO faith in my fellow human beings. I understand that nobody out there is looking out for ME except ME. To that end I expect to be the one who walks away IF it ever gets to a point where I am involved in an altercation. That's just simple common sense so far as I'm concerned.
 
Oh, and why is that? I have carried a gun probably 75% of the time I've been out of my home for more than a decade without ever drawing it, Maggie. There have been two occasions where I have thought I might need to, but thankfully both were able to be dealt with via other means.

I have ZERO faith in my fellow human beings. I understand that nobody out there is looking out for ME except ME. To that end I expect to be the one who walks away IF it ever gets to a point where I am involved in an altercation. That's just simple common sense so far as I'm concerned.

You do realize that you implied you would draw your gun at the lady with the pepper spray don't you? It's not just this particular post that drew me to that conclusion, though. You often post in bravado when the topic of guns comes up. I realize you're proud of your knowledge of guns and your ability to carry in your state. (Can't in Illinois.) I'm actually rather envious because I assume you really do know how to use it and are completely comfortable with it. I have a .38 at home. Got it right after 9/11. Took classes; did some target shooting. But I'm not proficient. I keep it in a locked drawer, unloaded, trigger locked, and a firing pin blocker (whatever that thingie is called). And because of all that, I probably shouldn't even own one. :)
 
You do realize that you implied you would draw your gun at the lady with the pepper spray don't you? It's not just this particular post that drew me to that conclusion, though. You often post in bravado when the topic of guns comes up. I realize you're proud of your knowledge of guns and your ability to carry in your state. (Can't in Illinois.) I'm actually rather envious because I assume you really do know how to use it and are completely comfortable with it. I have a .38 at home. Got it right after 9/11. Took classes; did some target shooting. But I'm not proficient. I keep it in a locked drawer, unloaded, trigger locked, and a firing pin blocker (whatever that thingie is called). And because of all that, I probably shouldn't even own one. :)

Good for you Maggie! And the really sad thing is that it is not only Tigger with this macho itchy trigger attitude when these type of things come up. There are times that some here are just drooling in anticipatory glee that they just might get to shoot somebody and all those target practice sessions pay off.
 
You do realize that you implied you would draw your gun at the lady with the pepper spray don't you? It's not just this particular post that drew me to that conclusion, though. You often post in bravado when the topic of guns comes up. I realize you're proud of your knowledge of guns and your ability to carry in your state. (Can't in Illinois.) I'm actually rather envious because I assume you really do know how to use it and are completely comfortable with it. I have a .38 at home. Got it right after 9/11. Took classes; did some target shooting. But I'm not proficient. I keep it in a locked drawer, unloaded, trigger locked, and a firing pin blocker (whatever that thingie is called). And because of all that, I probably shouldn't even own one. :)

I am quite well aware of what I have implied. In fact I was very blunt about what I would have done, and I will not deny it. I have no problem with the idea of having to do what's necessary if the situation were to arise. That doesn't mean I ever WANT to have to shoot anyone. It just means that I have become comfortable with the fact that carrying a gun does mean that potential is increased.

My question for you would be.... Why did you get the gun? Was it for protection? If so, then it is doing you no good in the state it is currently in, and you'd be better off selling it.


Good for you Maggie! And the really sad thing is that it is not only Tigger with this macho itchy trigger attitude when these type of things come up. There are times that some here are just drooling in anticipatory glee that they just might get to shoot somebody and all those target practice sessions pay off.

No, there are very few people out there drooling in anticipation of having to shoot anyone. I am not included in that number. However, when I decided to carry a gun I spent an extensive amount of time contemplating whether or not I could actually use it. I read about the topic. I spoke to others who carry a gun. I spoke with some of the most well-known individuals in the self-defense industry. After doing that I came to the conclusion that I could and would use the gun IF NECESSARY. I do not fear the gun I carry, like so many seem to. It's a tool. Nothing more.
 
I am quite well aware of what I have implied. In fact I was very blunt about what I would have done, and I will not deny it. I have no problem with the idea of having to do what's necessary if the situation were to arise. That doesn't mean I ever WANT to have to shoot anyone. It just means that I have become comfortable with the fact that carrying a gun does mean that potential is increased.

My question for you would be.... Why did you get the gun? Was it for protection? If so, then it is doing you no good in the state it is currently in, and you'd be better off selling it.

I got it for protection. You may be right that I should sell it, though. I have brought it out on a few occasions -- when someone has rung my doorbell late in the night, as an example. In that case, I've gone to the door with it. But then only after finding the key that unlocks the drawer, undoing the trigger lock, taking out the firing pin blocky-thingy and loading it. Those that were still there after I did all of that got greeted by me gun in hand. How ridiculous. :rofl

I can already hear you shakin' your head. :rofl
 
Had the shopping experience not been frenzied and crowded, the pepper spraying would not have happened. Frustration.

Greed exists as a solitary condition (no external trigger needed).

Barbarism, I could maybe go there. Mob mentality and all... if she had pepper sprayed someone, then grabbed a $9.95 umbrella ($4.95 on sale, $2.95 between midnight and 1:00 AM only, designer colors) and repeatedly stabbed the victim until entrails were rent upon the floor, then yeah -- barbarism ;)

As another example of barbarism, a 61-year old man collapsed in a Charleston Target, and most shoppers just stepped around and over him.

UPDATE: Man Dies on Black Friday; Shoppers Unfazed
 
Maggie, that's not an effective self-defense strategy. From our conversations over time I'm not even confident that you would or could pull the trigger on another human being. I'd doubt you've even seriously considered that idea. Please do so. If you can't, please get rid of the gun for your own safety.

- An NRA Certified Pistol & Home Firearms Safety Trainer.
 
As another example of barbarism, a 61-year old man collapsed in a Charleston Target, and most shoppers just stepped around and over him.

UPDATE: Man Dies on Black Friday; Shoppers Unfazed
That is disgusting. The least people can do is call for help, there is no excuse for allowing someone to die so you can keep shopping. Some people don't even deserve to call themselves human. At least an off duty nurse and paramedic tried to help, but who knows how long he went without attention and if that was what caused his condition to elevate to fatal.
 
The mean bitch surrendered and was released because she would not talk about it:roll:

U.S. News - Alleged pepper-spraying Walmart shopper surrenders

Oh good - a bit guilty.

But you know: it's not like everyone else wasn't being a dick: pushing - shoving . . .and not to mention the stupid parents who bring their children. What the hell is with that horrid parenting right there?

This was funny from your article:
A fight for bath towels, purportedly recorded at a Michigan store, has become a YouTube sensation. Cheap towels also caused mayhem at a Walmart in Oregon, Ohio.

"They were fighting over bath towels on sale for $1.88, as ridiculous as that sounds," Police Sergeant Jason Druckenmiller told Reuters. "A woman tried to get her hands on some towels when she was pushed from behind, and that's when she came out swinging."

There's a redneck joke in there somewheres.
 
The mean bitch surrendered and was released because she would not talk about it:roll:

Released her? The first thing I want to know is whether or not she has a LTC in California? If not, she's guilty of a FELONY simply for possessing the Pepper Spray. If she does, it should be revoked for misuse of a weapon. This wench ought to be sitting in a lock-up until the police department gets to the bottom of the story. If she refuses to talk, let her sit there and rot.
 
I don't understand why she "surrendered" and then refused to talk, but I hope that "pending further investigation" means that she's going to be charged.
 
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