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    Re: 'Company Policy: We are not hiring until Obama is gone'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post

    The idea that you or anyone else can predict what the political environment will be like a year from now is absurd. At this point, the range of possible election outcomes is anything from an Obama landslide to a Republican landslide.
    Its done all the time. Hell part of the whole of Wall Street is about predicting the political environment.

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    "The political climate" is not the same as "the name of the president." The president is not a king who automatically gets his way on anything he wants. There are 535 congresspeople as well. Furthermore, for most types of businesses, the difference between a Republican-dominated government and a Democratic-dominated government isn't very big.
    But it is the President that can, through leadership, guide the way things go. Or has all the talking, cajoling, wheedling, threats, diplomacy that has been issued by Presidents towards the Congress and Senate done by pretty much every single President in US history just wasted breath?
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    Re: 'Company Policy: We are not hiring until Obama is gone'

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    He's just coming out and saying what many business owners are already doing. I don't want to work for this man, so I find him extremely irrelevant. If a Republican wins in 2012 I'm walking off my job on inauguration day. How's that for advance notice?
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    Re: 'Company Policy: We are not hiring until Obama is gone'

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Do you work in the white house? Just kidding.
    LOL! Interesting concept, but no.
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    Re: 'Company Policy: We are not hiring until Obama is gone'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Its done all the time.
    That doesn't mean it's done accurately.

    Hell part of the whole of Wall Street is about predicting the political environment.
    And very few people on Wall Street can beat the market anyway. I wouldn't put too much faith in their predictive powers. A year before the election, the best we can do is try to estimate the probabilities of the outcome of the election. On InTrade, the probability of either party winning the White House next November is currently trading at about 50%. That seems reasonable to me; a year before the election you'd do just as well flipping a coin. The idea that anyone can be so sure that they know what will happen in the next election which is a year away is ridiculous (especially when even the PRESENT numbers don't agree with their prediction).

    But it is the President that can, through leadership, guide the way things go. Or has all the talking, cajoling, wheedling, threats, diplomacy that has been issued by Presidents towards the Congress and Senate done by pretty much every single President in US history just wasted breath?
    Yeah, it's mostly wasted breath. Actually it probably serves to polarize both the electorate and the Congress. That may occasionally work if the president's party has a huge majority in Congress or if the president is extremely popular...but usually that isn't the case. As Matt Yglesias recently put it, "If there’s an issue you’d like to see progress on, your best hope by far is for two relatively obscure members of congress from opposite sides to reach an agreement, then persuade a bunch of their colleagues, and then unveil the proposal as a big bipartisan initiative." So yes, that presidential talking, cajoling, wheedling, threats, and diplomacy is mostly wasted breath. The president's only real power over legislation is the threat to veto it.

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    Re: 'Company Policy: We are not hiring until Obama is gone'

    The sad thing about it is that many businesses, mine included, have to take steps to limit the negative impact some new legislation has on their businesses. I am not at the point where I'm stopping all hiring, but I can tell you that with the pending, progressive implementation of Obamacare, I am now limiting workers to 30 hours- possibly with the plan to cut hours more to keep below the 50 full time (or FTE) employee limit where we would begin to be required to offer health insurance. Our industry is not conducive to offering health insurance to workers, and we will be unable to do so.... so the choice we have to make is to go ahead and reduce the allowable hours.

    These types of decisions are made everyday, and generally hurt the very people they were intended to help.
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    Re: 'Company Policy: We are not hiring until Obama is gone'

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    A west Georgia business owner is stirring up controversy with signs he posted on his company's trucks, for all to see as the trucks roll up and down roads, highways and interstates:
    "New Company Policy: We are not hiring until Obama is gone."


    Looman's company is U.S. Cranes, LLC. He said he put up the signs, and first posted pictures of the signs on his personal Facebook page, six months ago, and he said he received mostly positive reaction from people, "about 20-to-one positive."

    But for some reason, one of the photos went viral on the Internet on Monday.
    And the reaction has been so intense, pro and con, he's had to have his phones disconnected because of the non-stop calls, and he's had to temporarily shut down his company's website because of all the traffic crashing the system.


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    He's free to do as he wants. Of course if people stop doing business with him because of the policy and he ends up losing his company...well that's a consequence of freedom as well. I doubt that would happen though, and I don't really give a **** one way or the other. Him not hiring people won't help or hinder the economy greatly.
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    Re: 'Company Policy: We are not hiring until Obama is gone'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    There's a difference between not hiring because it's just not in your budget to do so, and not hiring because you don't like who is the President of the United State.

    Huge difference! And any businessman who'd use the President as a metrix to guage his hiring practises need not be in business.

    This man's an idiot! Plain and simple.

    That was the whole point of posting this thread, along with I believe theres alot bigger fish doing the same thing for the same reason...

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    Re: 'Company Policy: We are not hiring until Obama is gone'

    It is the legislation of this president that presents a marked, real hardship for small businesses. Not the president himself. His was not a political statement as much as it was a business statement. It is his belief that the president's legislative agenda is causing harm to his business. And he's probably right.

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    Re: 'Company Policy: We are not hiring until Obama is gone'

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    To early to tell if it was a poor decision. I will agree with that it is his business and he can do what he wants. Don't live in his area or have a need for his type of services. If I did, would most likely give him some business.
    I don't really believe him. He's trying to stir things up, but he would not hurt his business just to make a statement, unless he really is an idiot. If he isn't hiring, it's likely because there isn't a demand.

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