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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And you demonstrate your disdain for freedom.

    And you demonstrate you disdain for law enforcement, and the rule of law. good show.

    You essentially say that the police just have to say they have to move and if they don't then they can use force.
    Is it peaceful to surround police?

    That's government force against the free exercise of rights and has no limitations set upon the State for what it can and cannot "disperse".
    The free exercise of rights does not include surrounding police. That is a clear threat.

    It in essence can say any and all assembly and protest can be told to "disperse" and if not, then force can be used.
    All? No, I don't think I said that, but nice strawman. This was, is, and continues to be an illegal protest. No permit, no regard for property rights, and wholly bent on provoking clashes with police at any turn to prompt coverage. that is called anarchy. Is that what Libertarians believe.

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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by Free For All View Post
    You have the right to assemble and protest. Gotcha. Never disagreed.
    Apparently the cops have the right to shoot you in the head if they tell you to stop assembling and protesting.
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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by Free For All View Post
    You have the right to assemble and protest. Gotcha. Never disagreed.
    Apparently you do because you seem very willing to excuse government force being used seemingly arbitrarily against assembly and protest.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Is it peaceful to surround police?
    Is it peaceful to lie through your teeth over and over? They didn't surround the police. You can see in the video that the police could have left if they wanted and that they had the seated protesters surrounded, not the other way around.
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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Apparently the cops have the right to shoot you in the head if they tell you to stop assembling and protesting.
    Protesting just ain't my thing brother. I leave that to the compassionate youth.

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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Apparently you do because you seem very willing to excuse government force being used seemingly arbitrarily against assembly and protest.
    No, I don't.

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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And you demonstrate you disdain for law enforcement, and the rule of law. good show.
    Not disdain, but rather limited and regulated amount. Government is to be restricted.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Is it peaceful to surround police?
    It can be, yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The free exercise of rights does not include surrounding police. That is a clear threat.
    No it's not. That's some make believe you put in your head to argue against assembly and protest rights. Government is restricted, not the People. There was a time when "conservatives" understood that.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    All? No, I don't think I said that, but nice strawman. This was, is, and continues to be an illegal protest. No permit, no regard for property rights, and wholly bent on provoking clashes with police at any turn to prompt coverage. that is called anarchy. Is that what Libertarians believe.
    The protest was peaceful, there is no permit for GOVERNMENT to act against it. In fact, it is specifically FORBIDDEN from doing so.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Not my words, but whatever.
    Sorry, I thought that was you...If I was mistaken, I don't want to attribute something to you that you didn't say.



    Why not pepper spray the "agitated" crowd then, instead of the group of people sitting on the ground with their arms interlocked?
    All we have is a 1:05 minute snippet of video. Do you think that the confrontation lasted a little longer than that? Do you know for a fact what happened before this moment in time?

    Even after being sprayed they were docile, which is impressive.
    Pepper spray used for crowd control is quite debilitating...I am not surprised at all. That is what this is for, so that they don't have to crack your head with a club.

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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The free exercise of rights does not include surrounding police. That is a clear threat.
    If the police were worried about those "surrounding them", they would have maced those people instead of macing the ones sitting down.
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    I just hate how you guys only care about these dirty hippies and not every other citizen that lives in that city.

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