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    Re: Pepper spray: US campus police suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Why does that interest you more than the fact that people who are far richer than you have more access to government than you will ever have?
    Im a realist. I get that it happens. im all for campaign reform. hell Im all for completely revamping the election process. I believe both parties are corrupt beyond words. However the OWS script is just plain bull****. The Adbusters motivation for starting this was chaos and attacking capitalism...it had **** to do with Wall Street. They tossed that carrot out and it worked...convenient since Obama had been playing the class warfare BS. Across the country you have morons rushing to protest...they just arent really sure WHAT. maybe its the evil Jew zionist bankers...or the home loans...or the student loans...or wealth redistribution...and on and on and on. And the suppose 'message' about the influence on politicians...All I am doing is filling in the puzzle piece you NEVER do...for all the whining and bitching and crying about the banks/brokers/unions and the influence they peddle on politicians...the biggest recipients are the democrats. And aint THAT a bitch when you are voting for the people lining their pockets with that evil cash you pretend to care about.

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    Re: Pepper spray: US campus police suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Im a realist. I get that it happens. im all for campaign reform. hell Im all for completely revamping the election process. I believe both parties are corrupt beyond words. However the OWS script is just plain bull****. The Adbusters motivation for starting this was chaos and attacking capitalism...it had **** to do with Wall Street. They tossed that carrot out and it worked...convenient since Obama had been playing the class warfare BS. Across the country you have morons rushing to protest...they just arent really sure WHAT. maybe its the evil Jew zionist bankers...or the home loans...or the student loans...or wealth redistribution...and on and on and on. And the suppose 'message' about the influence on politicians...All I am doing is filling in the puzzle piece you NEVER do...for all the whining and bitching and crying about the banks/brokers/unions and the influence they peddle on politicians...the biggest recipients are the democrats. And aint THAT a bitch when you are voting for the people lining their pockets with that evil cash you pretend to care about.
    Well it is a big plate, is it not? There are a lot of things to be angry about! You can be mad at Congress, but then again, we voted them in. You can be mad at the people who took the loans and you can be mad at the banks for making the loans - sure. But I think what a lot of people are sick of and but not quite sure how to voice their concern is their disdain for the how the corporate world handled this crisis. You have Goldman Sachs, who literally ****ed anyone and everyone they could over, and then bet on the fact that they ****ed their customers over. Then you have all these banks who took bailouts for the purpose of them continuing to lend, and instead they paid down some debt and took large golden parachutes. Meanwhile, Mom and Pop needed to $20,000 loan for a new piece of equipment to keep their business going, but that loan was impossible to get. Then, to top it all off, I think these people are pissed that nothing was done about it - anywhere. This entire crisis is just as likely to occur in the future as it was 15 years ago.

    But that's just my opinion.
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    Re: Pepper spray: US campus police suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Im a realist. I get that it happens. im all for campaign reform. hell Im all for completely revamping the election process. I believe both parties are corrupt beyond words. However the OWS script is just plain bull****. The Adbusters motivation for starting this was chaos and attacking capitalism...it had **** to do with Wall Street. They tossed that carrot out and it worked...convenient since Obama had been playing the class warfare BS. Across the country you have morons rushing to protest...they just arent really sure WHAT. maybe its the evil Jew zionist bankers...or the home loans...or the student loans...or wealth redistribution...and on and on and on. And the suppose 'message' about the influence on politicians...All I am doing is filling in the puzzle piece you NEVER do...for all the whining and bitching and crying about the banks/brokers/unions and the influence they peddle on politicians...the biggest recipients are the democrats. And aint THAT a bitch when you are voting for the people lining their pockets with that evil cash you pretend to care about.
    You don't have to echo some idiot spouting anti-Israel nonsense to be in the OWS movement. You could just be against big money in politics, ignore the rest of the crap and help strengthen the movement yourself, if that was important to you.

    I think what was really sad is that the Tea Party and OWS movements were turned into conservative vs liberal issues, when in reality they were both right and involved us all equally. But instead they were turned into a game of football and most of us fell for it hook, line and sinker. Christ, people are gullible.

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    Re: Pepper spray: US campus police suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You don't have to echo some idiot spouting anti-Israel nonsense to be in the OWS movement. You could just be against big money in politics, ignore the rest of the crap and help strengthen the movement yourself, if that was important to you.

    I think what was really sad is that the Tea Party and OWS movements were turned into conservative vs liberal issues, when in reality they were both right and involved us all equally. But instead they were turned into a game of football and most of us fell for it hook, line and sinker. Christ, people are gullible.
    You have to be Helen Keller kinda blind to not see the politics involved in this. And anyone that is THAT blind is so for a reason. Working too hard pullin levers so that no one can see what is going on, even though the curtain got pulled back a long long time ago.
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    Re: Pepper spray: US campus police suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Well it is a big plate, is it not? There are a lot of things to be angry about! You can be mad at Congress, but then again, we voted them in. You can be mad at the people who took the loans and you can be mad at the banks for making the loans - sure. But I think what a lot of people are sick of and but not quite sure how to voice their concern is their disdain for the how the corporate world handled this crisis. You have Goldman Sachs, who literally ****ed anyone and everyone they could over, and then bet on the fact that they ****ed their customers over. Then you have all these banks who took bailouts for the purpose of them continuing to lend, and instead they paid down some debt and took large golden parachutes. Meanwhile, Mom and Pop needed to $20,000 loan for a new piece of equipment to keep their business going, but that loan was impossible to get. Then, to top it all off, I think these people are pissed that nothing was done about it - anywhere. This entire crisis is just as likely to occur in the future as it was 15 years ago.

    But that's just my opinion.
    And two months into it...what has it accomplished? What is the end game? You are beyond full of **** if you even for a second pretend the vast majority of OWS supporters wont turn around this time next year and vote the same politicians in that are doing what they pretend to be mad about.

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    Re: Pepper spray: US campus police suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And two months into it...what has it accomplished? What is the end game? You are beyond full of **** if you even for a second pretend the vast majority of OWS supporters wont turn around this time next year and vote the same politicians in that are doing what they pretend to be mad about.
    The one thing it has accomplished is that a LOT more Americans are aware of how gamed our system is than before this started.

    The Tea Party began by tapping into some of this same anger. Then they sold themselves to the Koch Brothers and instead, we're told that the deficit is THE primary problem, instead of unemployment, stagnant wages, and massively increasing poverty.

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    Re: Pepper spray: US campus police suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    The one thing it has accomplished is that a LOT more Americans are aware of how gamed our system is than before this started.

    The Tea Party began by tapping into some of this same anger. Then they sold themselves to the Koch Brothers and instead, we're told that the deficit is THE primary problem, instead of unemployment, stagnant wages, and massively increasing poverty.
    The Tea Party voted out republicans they believe are corrupt spenders. OWS supporters elected the biggest recipient of the bribes they pretend to care about and will do so again. Its ALL a problem. One of those groups is at least invested in electing someone to do something different. Dems?4 life, baby. You know it.

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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

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    I forget. How many died?
    None in this attack - but 27 to 61 people have died as a result of pepper spray usage according to various studies.

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    Re: Pepper spray: US campus police suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The Tea Party voted out republicans they believe are corrupt spenders. OWS supporters elected the biggest recipient of the bribes they pretend to care about and will do so again. Its ALL a problem. One of those groups is at least invested in electing someone to do something different. Dems?4 life, baby. You know it.
    There is the problem: you think one group "did something". Yeah, they elected in more conservatives. Has anything changed? You tell me. In my opinion, the OWS and the Tea Party are addressing somewhat of the same issue, they just allocate blame a bit differently and have different ideals on how to solve the problem. Also, neither group is all that organized and neither has a clear agenda - that is until a pundit or organization tries to put their own stamp on it. For instance, Fox News really put their stamp on the Tea Party, though I would guarantee many of the original protesters were not in agreement with Glenn Beck on the issues.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And two months into it...what has it accomplished? What is the end game? You are beyond full of **** if you even for a second pretend the vast majority of OWS supporters wont turn around this time next year and vote the same politicians in that are doing what they pretend to be mad about.
    It's not like there are a plethora of people to vote for in each election.
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    Re: Pepper spray: US campus police suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The Tea Party voted out republicans they believe are corrupt spenders. OWS supporters elected the biggest recipient of the bribes they pretend to care about and will do so again. Its ALL a problem. One of those groups is at least invested in electing someone to do something different. Dems?4 life, baby. You know it.
    The Tea Party voted in people who want to give more tax breaks to the wealthy while cutting breaks and benefits for the middle class.

    They elected people like Stephen Fincher, in my neighboring district, who collects about $250,000 a year in government farm subsidies, but says he's for small government.

    Once their favorite, Michelle Bachmann, collects farm subsidies, and her husband collects government money to "correct gayness".

    There is nothing genuine about how Tea Party candidates turned out.

    The base anger is legitimate; but they fell for a bunch of people who want to destroy working peoples' salaries in order to preserve order for the top 1% to continue collecting even more of the nation's wealth. All while they shout, "Keep government hands off my Medicare!"

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