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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    Not a damn thing.

    Are you sure you posted that in the right thread?
    Indeed I did. There is a right to assembly and protest; we should uphold and honor the exercise of that right to its fullest. If we have to leave some kids sitting across a sidewalk, so be it. At least you don't call down government force against their exercise of a right.
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    Re: Pepper spray: US campus police suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What this says is kind of misleading then. Because the people interviewed are all over the board
    Funny thing is I was aware from day one of the protests what their message was, which was to point out the richest people's involvement in forming government policy. I've never been able to understand what the confusion was over. Which interviews did you watch?

    It would be like me saying the main message of the tea party was misleading because of all the news clips I watched of their members making irrelevant racist statements. But I still always knew what the meat of their message was, which is that government spends too much money and is bankrupting the country.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    , and if they are truly protesting "fighting back against the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process, and the role of Wall Street in creating an economic collapse that has caused the greatest recession in generations." Then they need to go protest the source of their ability to have done what they did, and that is in the Government,
    But government is only one part of that. Plenty of people are aware that government is corrupt, but what not nearly so many people are painfully aware of is who is doing the corrupting. Wall street is a much more pertinent place for making that exact point than, say, the Capitol or the White House.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    at the door of Frank, and Dodd that made possible the removal of regulations that prevented this for decades.

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    You believed that those regulations were positive? Who do you think was benefited by their removal, and who do you think most likely lobbied for their removal?
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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Indeed I did. There is a right to assembly and protest; we should uphold and honor the exercise of that right to its fullest. If we have to leave some kids sitting across a sidewalk, so be it. At least you don't call down government force against their exercise of a right.
    Is UC Davis public property? Is defying University officals a right?

    Did these protesters apply for a permit to protest on public property?

    Should any action at all have been taken against them? Should they have been allowed free reign on UCD property?

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    Re: Pepper spray: US campus police suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Funny thing is I was aware from day one of the protests what their message was, which was to point out the richest people's involvement in forming government policy. I've never been able to understand what the confusion was over. Which interviews did you watch?
    The ones not on MSNBC, or LINKTV.

    But government is only one part of that. Plenty of people are aware that government is corrupt, but what not nearly so many people are painfully aware of is who is doing the corrupting. Wall street is a much more pertinent place for making that exact point than, say, the Capitol or the White House.
    Oh please! The banks made them do it? That is the best you got? Look, none of what the banks did would have been possible without government allowing it to happen.

    You believed that those regulations were positive? Who do you think was benefited by their removal, and who do you think most likely lobbied for their removal?
    You must be kidding right? Watch this then get back to me....



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    Re: Pepper spray: US campus police suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You must be kidding right? Watch this then get back to me....

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    This is off topic, but whatever. How do you allow yourself to be selectively mad? I think everyone agrees that the loans were bad and that is as much the consumer's fault as it is the bank's. However, you harbor only hatred towards the consumer and none towards the bank? And then, what of the shenanigans that took advantage of this situation? The Big Short doesn't bother you?
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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    Re: Pepper spray: US campus police suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The ones not on MSNBC, or LINKTV.
    You must not have seen my edit. I also said, "It would be like me saying the main message of the tea party was misleading because of all the news clips I watched of their members making irrelevant racist statements. But I still always knew what the meat of their message was, which is that government spends too much money and is bankrupting the country."

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh please! The banks made them do it? That is the best you got? Look, none of what the banks did would have been possible without government allowing it to happen.
    I think I see your confusion here. You think that the OWS movement is claiming that government is innocent and it's all the fault of the banks. That's not true. The OWS movement is shedding light on who is doing the corrupting. By doing this we get a clearer idea of who is benefited by the laws they lobby for.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You must be kidding right? Watch this then get back to me....



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    What I get from watching that video is that you're still stuck in Republican-vs-Democrat mode. Since both Republicans and Democrats are part of the problem your approach enlightens no one and accomplishes nothing. I'm not going to get involved in some stupid dick waving contest where you and I see who can dig up the most stories of the other side doing bad things. The point is the message of OWS, which is that the richest people have a disproportionate say in the making of government policy, and that those policies are bad for the rest of us (edit: or are, at the very best, not made with our benefit in mind).
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    Re: Pepper spray: US campus police suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    This is off topic, but whatever. How do you allow yourself to be selectively mad? I think everyone agrees that the loans were bad and that is as much the consumer's fault as it is the bank's. However, you harbor only hatred towards the consumer and none towards the bank? And then, what of the shenanigans that took advantage of this situation? The Big Short doesn't bother you?
    Did you watch the clip? probably not seeing as that it is 8 plus minutes, and you had time to type a response in less time than the clip....So watch it, and you tell me.

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    Re: Pepper spray: US campus police suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Did you watch the clip? probably not seeing as that it is 8 plus minutes, and you had time to type a response in less time than the clip....So watch it, and you tell me.

    j-mac
    The video has nothing to do with OWS!
    The Occupy movement is not republican democrat, partisan hack issue.


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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Off topic but here is an item about the pepper spray thing.

    A group of students who were pepper-sprayed and arrested Friday spoke to the crowd from a small stage, and were greeted by cheers of support as well as the chant, "Whose university is it? Our university!"
    Hundreds of UC Davis students protest pepper-spraying by police - latimes.com

    That they are able to speak at all, after their life-threatening assault, is a miracle. That their spirit is unbroken a tribute to the America to come.

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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    Is UC Davis public property?
    It's a State school, yes?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    Is defying University officals a right?
    It is an ability. The government is restricted, not the People.

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    Did these protesters apply for a permit to protest on public property?
    Assembly and protest are rights, they should require no permit on public property as such.

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    Should any action at all have been taken against them? Should they have been allowed free reign on UCD property?
    Yes, assembly and protest are rights; they had not infringed upon the rights of others. Until such time, they should be free to do as they like.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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