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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    yes, do exactly as the government says, when it says so and you can practice you "rights". Is protest pleasant? Hell no, not all the time, and it isn't supposed to be. It's supposed to disrupt and clamor and make noise and get people to listen. The way you want people to "protest" leaves no room for actual protest. Line up nice, go stand in that corner where no one will see you, and you can do your thing. Else, we'll release government force upon you.

    The real reason I dislike many of these sorts of authoritarian arguments isn't to say that we can't find reasonable medium. But rather that your authoritative arguments leave NO RESTRICTION upon the government force in ways and means through which it can infringe upon OUR RIGHTS, our free exercise there of. If forced to choose between the Government and the People, I will more times than not line up with the People. I find it sad when others defer immediately to State.

    Not at all. I think that some protests that become uncivil are absolutely warranted. The civil rights movement was a prime example, and under Dr. King's passive approach while the government tried to squash it through unwarranted force was a major reason why people lined up to support it. The Tea Party movement last year where protesters were gathered in order, peacefully, and left grounds cleaner than when they came, with a clear message, and plan to enact it then worked within the system to pull off an electoral upset was masterful.

    I don't think that OWS has that. They have shown America everything from anti Semitic, to anti Capitalist views, and have literally shown their arse while defecating on private property, open air drug use, crime, and rape, disease, and propensity to violent action as in Oakland Ca. Not to mention the student loans to pay off, well Boo Freakin' Hoo!!! They have allowed Unions to infiltrate, and hijack the message, as well as Socialists, CPUSA, and the black hoodied thugs of anarchy. People want to see other assert their rights in this society, that is what makes this country special in the world, but their right to bitch doesn't cut off my right to go about my day in peace. When you have a 6 year old girl on the news talking about how the protesters scared her, then your movement has a big problem.

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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Why tear gas? And they were still cuffed and dragged forcefully... that's how police officers are trained to handcuff people. You believe they could only have handcuffed these individuals with the help of non-lethal weapons?
    You believe they would have unclasped their hands and arms if the police just asked nicely? Oh...wait...they didnt. So you DO advocate that they should have physically forced them into cuffs. Well...OK...then...but that would have been considerably less pretty...

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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not at all. I think that some protests that become uncivil are absolutely warranted. The civil rights movement was a prime example, and under Dr. King's passive approach while the government tried to squash it through unwarranted force was a major reason why people lined up to support it. The Tea Party movement last year where protesters were gathered in order, peacefully, and left grounds cleaner than when they came, with a clear message, and plan to enact it then worked within the system to pull off an electoral upset was masterful.

    I don't think that OWS has that. They have shown America everything from anti Semitic, to anti Capitalist views, and have literally shown their arse while defecating on private property, open air drug use, crime, and rape, disease, and propensity to violent action as in Oakland Ca. Not to mention the student loans to pay off, well Boo Freakin' Hoo!!! They have allowed Unions to infiltrate, and hijack the message, as well as Socialists, CPUSA, and the black hoodied thugs of anarchy. People want to see other assert their rights in this society, that is what makes this country special in the world, but their right to bitch doesn't cut off my right to go about my day in peace. When you have a 6 year old girl on the news talking about how the protesters scared her, then your movement has a big problem.

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    Whether you believe it right or not, the right exists and MUST be recognized and upheld to its maximum. It is one of the consequences and repercussions of freedom. If you seek a free State, you MUST have the resolve and conviction to KEEP a free State.

    Back in the 50's and such, the anarchists were allowed to preach open revolt and violence against the government. We've fallen a long way since there.
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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Whether you believe it right or not, the right exists and MUST be recognized and upheld to its maximum. It is one of the consequences and repercussions of freedom. If you seek a free State, you MUST have the resolve and conviction to KEEP a free State.

    Back in the 50's and such, the anarchists were allowed to preach open revolt and violence against the government. We've fallen a long way since there.

    You clearly didn't read what I posted.


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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You clearly didn't read what I posted.


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    I've read what you posted. You feel OWS doesn't contain the same legitimacy to civil disobedience that other protests had. As I said, whether you believe so or not, the right to assemble and protest exists and MUST be recognized and upheld to its maximum.
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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I've read what you posted. You feel OWS doesn't contain the same legitimacy to civil disobedience that other protests had. As I said, whether you believe so or not, the right to assemble and protest exists and MUST be recognized and upheld to its maximum.

    And so far it has been. To the point of property owners around Zucotti having their rights disrupted. But when they break the law, they get arrested. Period. Protest, but do so peacefully, and legally. Other than that in a civil society is an affront to the rights of others. And we all must live together no?


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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    How do you get to just troll this forum with uselessness like that? Un****ingreal. You crack me up, man.
    How is it trolling to respond to a post that says "yes, do exactly as the government says, when it says so " with "I bet if government scientists told you to do/not do something, because it would help prevent global warming, you would give them your 100% support."? Its like when one poster says the 2nd amendment should be banned or heavily restricted because semi-automatic weapons did not exist in the 1700s and another poster responds with neither did cars,telephones, computers and etc.
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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    That 84 year old woman that may or may not have been sprayed with pepper spray is more of a man than the UC Davis bitches. Its just torturous I tells ya!

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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I'm glad to hear that the officer that did it was suspended. Hopefully that's in intermediate step on the road to him getting fired.
    Why fire the officer?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Of course I would. They told me that ripping the air box off of my motorcycle was good for the environment, which is why I did it. Oh....wait.

    You done with asinine assumption that cannot be supported with measurement? Or is this just the tip of the "idiot" iceberg we're going for here?
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    Just wondering if you did what the government told you to do, since you seem to think that's a bad thing. Hypocrisy noted, sir
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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