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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

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    So, when protesters are told to disburse, and then surround the police, they should be able to do that?

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    I am pretty sure that's not what happened at all, lol. I think you'll see that some of them may sue, and some of those officers will be reprimanded, which will be justice served. Every time something like this happens, there is a group that always stands by the officers, which is fine, but in real life the correct measures are taken through tort.
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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Since they were told to disburse, and then surrounded the police, can I assume then that you are not in favor of the policemen having the right to protect themselves?

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    Yeah....I'm sure they had a lot to fear from people yelling "shame at you!" while they were pepper spraying and arresting others. Please, the crowd was as nonthreatening as it could be, a bunch of pussy, hippie kids who couldn't commit to actual action of their lives depended on it. Don't try to play this up as anything more than what it was.
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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

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    So, when protesters are told to disburse, and then surround the police, they should be able to do that?

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    Yes, people should be able to peacefully protest on public property. From the news articles, it seems that the police elevated the tension there, not the protestors.
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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Since they were told to disburse, and then surrounded the police, can I assume then that you are not in favor of the policemen having the right to protect themselves?

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    Protect themselves? You perceived that the police were in danger? You are kidding me right?
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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Since they were told to disburse, and then surrounded the police, can I assume then that you are not in favor of the policemen having the right to protect themselves?

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    Are you suggesting that you are threatened by people who sit on the ground with their arms locked?

    If your idea of "protecting yourself" is inciting an already agitated crowd that is surrounding you by pepper spraying nonviolent students who are sitting on the ground in front of you then I worry for your capacity of self preservation.
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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah....I'm sure they had a lot to fear from people yelling "shame at you!" while they were pepper spraying and arresting others. Please, the crowd was as nonthreatening as it could be, a bunch of pussy, hippie kids who couldn't commit to actual action of their lives depended on it. Don't try to play this up as anything more than what it was.

    UC Davis Police Chief Annette Spicuzza said that police used the pepper spray after they were surrounded and said protesters were warned beforehand that force would be used if they didn’t move.

    Video Showing Officer Pepper-Spraying UC Davis Protesters Prompts Investigation CBS San Francisco
    The police have a job to do, and gave warning that the spray would be used, then they were surrounded. The protesters got not only what they deserved in this case, but were warned beforehand, and you just go ahead and surround a police officer and see what you get. That can be construed as a threat.

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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Are you suggesting that you are threatened by people who sit on the ground with their arms locked?

    If your idea of "protecting yourself" is inciting an already agitated crowd that is surrounding you by pepper spraying nonviolent students who are sitting on the ground in front of you then I worry for your capacity of self preservation.
    And I worry for dumb ass students that can not understand that they are told to disburse, and then surround police and think that is ok, or that it is going to end well for them...Maybe they wanted to get sprayed that is why they defied the order.

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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And I worry for dumb ass students that can not understand that they are told to disburse, and then surround police and think that is ok, or that it is going to end well for them...Maybe they wanted to get sprayed that is why they defied the order.

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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

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    Protect themselves? You perceived that the police were in danger? You are kidding me right?
    Absolutely not. It isn't important what I perceive here. Only what took place, and as I showed, they were told to disburse or spray would be used, they refused, and surrounded police. Not a smart move unless that is the outcome you want to happen.

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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The police have a job to do, and gave warning that the spray would be used, then they were surrounded. The protesters got not only what they deserved in this case, but were warned beforehand, and you just go ahead and surround a police officer and see what you get. That can be construed as a threat.

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    How did the people who were sitting on the ground in front of the police, "surround them"? You do realize how absurd your comments are coming across, right? If the police officers had used the pepper spray on the people who were standing and surrounding them, then you may have had a point, but using it on people who were sitting in a completely passive manner is not "surrounding officers" no matter how you try to spin it. You are willfully trying to justify the actions of the police officers by claiming they acted in the interest of their own protection, and yet there was no discernible threat from the people sitting on the ground. Please tell me how they were being threatening?
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