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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    It's so weird how the video never captures that ****. It must be some conspiracy where cameras are made to not catch violent crowds, but only perfectly reasonable police reactions. Oh wait, that's right, your explanation still does not explain why they would mace people who were sitting down.
    Simple, they were blocking the walk way, and they were told to move, and refused.


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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    He's probably talking about the news report that stated prior to this all going down the police were sent in by the UC Davis Board to remove tents and in the process had to detain 5 people, and that a crowd of students then encircled the police officers and wouldnt let them leave. According to the CNN article Dr Patrick posted, that went on for about 20 minutes and the whole thing lasted much longer.
    Exactly. Also I find it laughable that the crowd starts chanting "you can leave", "you can leave".....A public campus is not these peoples private property.

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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    It's so weird how the video never captures that ****. It must be some conspiracy where cameras are made to not catch violent crowds, but only perfectly reasonable police reactions. Oh wait, that's right, your explanation still does not explain why they would mace people who were sitting down.
    Why do you say "thats so weird"? Do you REALLY believe that there are some journalists with real integrity that are posting the truth whole truth and nothing but the truth and not just the **** that makers them look good? These video snippets always start in the middle of something dont they? You dont believe they are suddenly magically transported...frozen in time...until someone yells...ACTION...right?

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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Goon squads strike again... this is clearly excessive force.
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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Exactly. Also I find it laughable that the crowd starts chanting "you can leave", "you can leave".....A public campus is not these peoples private property.

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    Frankly...at this point, I believe every police officer across the country ought to tell every mayor, chancelor, school president, etc to go **** themselves. They have been sent in to do a job and then as soon as they do the job the government officials feign outrage. Two words...**** and You. Let them burn the place to the ground. let them move back into the parks. Let them freeze to death, rape each other, do whatever the **** they want. I wouldnt blame the cops for refusing to lift a finger.

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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Simple, they were blocking the walk way, and they were told to move, and refused.

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    That's not a valid reason to pepper spray anyone.

    HEADWATERS FOREST DEFENSE v. THE COUNTY OF HUMBOLDT
    Defendants asserted at trial that the protestors' use of
    "black bears" constituted " `active' resistance to arrest," meriting the use of force. The Eureka Police Department defines
    "active resistence" as occurring when the"subject is attempting to interfere with the officer's actions by inflicting pain or
    physical injury to the officer without the use of a weapon or
    object." 240 F.3d at 1202-3. Characterizing the protestors'
    activities as "active resistance" is contrary to the facts of the
    case, viewing them, as we must, in the light most favorable
    to the protestors: the protestors were sitting peacefully, were
    easily moved by the police, and did not threaten or harm the
    officers. In sum, it would be clear to a reasonable officer that
    it was excessive to use pepper spray against the nonviolent
    protestors under these circumstances.
    Defendants' repeated use of pepper spray was also
    clearly unreasonable. As we recently concluded, the use of
    pepper spray "may be reasonable as a general policy to bring
    an arrestee under control, but in a situation in which an
    arrestee surrenders and is rendered helpless, any reasonable
    officer would know that a continued use of the weapon or a
    refusal without cause to alleviate its harmful effects constitutes excessive force." LaLonde v. County of Riverside, 204p
    This appellate court disagrees with you.
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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Why do you say "thats so weird"? Do you REALLY believe that there are some journalists with real integrity that are posting the truth whole truth and nothing but the truth and not just the **** that makers them look good? These video snippets always start in the middle of something dont they? You dont believe they are suddenly magically transported...frozen in time...until someone yells...ACTION...right?
    Because for some reason whenever there is policy brutality there is always someone who says "but we can't see what happened 20 minutes before!", when in reality, what is happening in that very moment is enough to indict. In no way is pepper spraying a group of protesters who are sitting down a legitimate police tactic.
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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well that's pretty much what government thinks of protest rights.
    None of this happened during the Tea Party protests. I wonder why?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Let them burn the place to the ground.... I wouldnt blame the cops for refusing to lift a finger.
    my sediments exactly, cut all federal funding to the state, local, and manciple police & fire dept. This budgeting would be at state levels leaving the feds out of it. There maybe lay-offs but really who cares they would be better off kicking the duds out of the dept. Get rid of their unions & collective bargaining. If your house burns tough crap, I don't care, take care of it yourself. If you get jacked then big deal I don't want to hear about it, buy a new one.

    These goon squads are really starting to appear they have unlimited budgets opening up lawsuits to there local, They need to be shrunk down, to help prevent them getting to uptight.
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    Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    They didn't go in there with guns and tanks for Christ sakes! They went in there to remove the tents, not the protesters, and they were met with agitated protesters surrounding them to provoke an incident. That was stupid.
    I thought this was about this UC thing, which had none of these elements from the presented video.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Bull ****! You go get behind a cop in an agitated state and see what happens to you.
    Does that mean I can take any individual who is standing behind me as posing an immediate threat to my person?


    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Protest is fine. Occupation of private property, rape, violence, crime, and general threatening behavior is NOT! Good to know that you are against police safety.
    I was under the impression they were on school grounds (public), not private property. Nor did I hear from this case any amount of rape or violence. They seemed to be sitting there with arms interlocked before being sprayed in the face for their protest.


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