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Pepper spray: US campus police suspended

Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

So now we have to consider events that never happened.....whew....man that is really a stretch...


j-mac

I should know better than to respond to you, but in this case I'll make an exception.

There is a hell of a difference in asking how he thinks he would have responded personally than you speculating about how other people would have responded.
 
Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

I should know better than to respond to you, but in this case I'll make an exception.

There is a hell of a difference in asking how he thinks he would have responded personally than you speculating about how other people would have responded.


Makes no difference, it never happened. Thus it is irrelevant.


j-mac
 
Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

Im gonna pepper spray all those protesters that stand on sidewalks now like this!



These protesters (i mean mob group) were blocking my access to the sidewalk! I couldnt get through these protesters (i mean mob).. They should all be pepper sprayed!
Damn tea parties!
 
Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

OK... For those of you who think the police were out of line, please tell me in your opinion, exactly what the police should have done to enforce the law in this situation?
These students were maybe guilty of a misdemeanor, nothing more, why do you think excessive force is needed to remove them?
 
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How is it trolling to respond to a post that says "yes, do exactly as the government says, when it says so " with "I bet if government scientists told you to do/not do something, because it would help prevent global warming, you would give them your 100% support."? Its like when one poster says the 2nd amendment should be banned or heavily restricted because semi-automatic weapons did not exist in the 1700s and another poster responds with neither did cars,telephones, computers and etc.

You want me to explain how bringing up a person's support of AGW legislation in a thread about police brutality is off topic and stupid (I am not allowed to actually say the word)?
 
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Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

Im gonna pepper spray all those protesters that stand on sidewalks now like this!



These protesters (i mean mob group) were blocking my access to the sidewalk! I couldnt get through these protesters (i mean mob).. They should all be pepper sprayed!
Damn tea parties!

Now let's at least try and be honest here. Access to the sidewalk in a permitted event is far different from blocking the actual sidewalk in direct defiance of police order to move. Isn't it now.

j-mac
 
Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

Who died?


j-mac
I didn't say anyone did, but the potential is there. Besides the tragic loss of life the lawsuits would be astronomical.
 
Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

Now let's at least try and be honest here. Access to the sidewalk in a permitted event is far different from blocking the actual sidewalk in direct defiance of police order to move. Isn't it now.

j-mac

Yes. I agree. Though, let's be honest here, I would not support them being pepper sprayed as well, even if they were practicing non-violent civil disobedience.
 
Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

Why fire the officer?

Because I feel that the people who are responsible for upholding our laws and who are invested with the power to do so should be held to a higher standard than a normal person. And as such should be punished more harshly when they abuse that power.
 
Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

Yes. I agree. Though, let's be honest here, I would not support them being pepper sprayed as well, even if they were practicing non-violent civil disobedience.

How would video of their being mandhandled by mulitiple cops, pried apart from one another in front of a jeering crowd, make you feel any better about this?
 
It's absolutely incredible what behavior against human beings people find tolerable when the human beings in questions hold an opposing viewpoint.

I remember when conservatives were complaining because the tea partiers were frequently depicted as ignorant racists by the media, but pepper-spraying nonviolent protesters whose main complaint is that Wall Street holds too much sway in American politics? Well, that's just okey dokey.
 
It's absolutely incredible what behavior against human beings people find tolerable when the human beings in questions hold an opposing viewpoint.

I remember when conservatives were complaining because the tea partiers were frequently depicted as ignorant racists by the media, but pepper-spraying nonviolent protesters whose main complaint is that Wall Street holds too much sway in American politics? Well, that's just okey dokey.

Okey freakin' dokey.

When TPers defy the cops and they get sprayed, I'll say the same.
 
Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

How would video of their being mandhandled by mulitiple cops, pried apart from one another in front of a jeering crowd, make you feel any better about this?

That still happened. That's how the police are taught to handcuff. As you can see in this video, they pepper spray they students, but then they still have to grab them one by one and drag them out, turn them over, and handcuff them.

 
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Whether you believe it right or not, the right exists and MUST be recognized and upheld to its maximum. It is one of the consequences and repercussions of freedom. If you seek a free State, you MUST have the resolve and conviction to KEEP a free State.

Back in the 50's and such, the anarchists were allowed to preach open revolt and violence against the government. We've fallen a long way since there.

This.

I am also very wary of people who automatically side with the government, authority, and use of force. When we have swaths of the population defending tyranny, it does not bode well. I am honestly of the opinion now that our country's rights are going to continue to degenerate until open revolt happens. It might take hitting rock bottom before the partisan hacks stop turning to government to uphold their views and quash others.

Noam Chomsky said it best when he said that you must be willing to support the free speech and rights of your most despised political opponents to gather in protest. If you don't believe this, then you don't believe in free speech.

We have people here who think that protesting now means you should quaintly gather and hand out pamphlets. Major protest has never been about civility and not offending people. The whole point is to be ruckus, yet non-violent.

I really think our country has lost its way... and it's going to have dire consequences.
 
It's absolutely incredible what behavior against human beings people find tolerable when the human beings in questions hold an opposing viewpoint.

I remember when conservatives were complaining because the tea partiers were frequently depicted as ignorant racists by the media, but pepper-spraying nonviolent protesters whose main complaint is that Wall Street holds too much sway in American politics? Well, that's just okey dokey.

If that were the actual message that all agreed with I could get on board. But it isn't is it now? Anti Semitic, Anti Capitalism, Anarchy, and general abolishing of what this country is. It runs the gambit, and no cohesive message can be found.

I mean if Crony Capitalism were the solid message then they would be protesting outside 1600 Pennsylvania ave. now wouldn't they?

Nah, this is a bunch of spoiled brats that don't want to pay back their student loans, and think it is unfair that their Bolivian underwater basket weaving degree won't land them a job over 16K

j-mac
 
If that were the actual message that all agreed with I could get on board. But it isn't is it now? Anti Semitic, Anti Capitalism, Anarchy, and general abolishing of what this country is. It runs the gambit, and no cohesive message can be found.

I mean if Crony Capitalism were the solid message then they would be protesting outside 1600 Pennsylvania ave. now wouldn't they?

Nah, this is a bunch of spoiled brats that don't want to pay back their student loans, and think it is unfair that their Bolivian underwater basket weaving degree won't land them a job over 16K

j-mac

The fact that you think your opinion on the validity of the protest holds any bearing towards how they should be treated is off-putting indeed.
 
If that were the actual message that all agreed with I could get on board. But it isn't is it now? Anti Semitic, Anti Capitalism, Anarchy, and general abolishing of what this country is. It runs the gambit, and no cohesive message can be found.

I mean if Crony Capitalism were the solid message then they would be protesting outside 1600 Pennsylvania ave. now wouldn't they?

Nah, this is a bunch of spoiled brats that don't want to pay back their student loans, and think it is unfair that their Bolivian underwater basket weaving degree won't land them a job over 16K

j-mac

Congratulations, you've been sold the Fox News version of these protests.
 
If that were the actual message that all agreed with I could get on board. But it isn't is it now? Anti Semitic, Anti Capitalism, Anarchy, and general abolishing of what this country is. It runs the gambit, and no cohesive message can be found.

I mean if Crony Capitalism were the solid message then they would be protesting outside 1600 Pennsylvania ave. now wouldn't they?

Nah, this is a bunch of spoiled brats that don't want to pay back their student loans, and think it is unfair that their Bolivian underwater basket weaving degree won't land them a job over 16K

j-mac

Looks like you just confirmed my entire post.
 
The fact that you think your opinion on the validity of the protest holds any bearing towards how they should be treated is off-putting indeed.

I feel ya....Don't really care though.


j-mac
 
By the way, it took me an exhaustive six seconds to find Occupy Wallstreet's message on google.

Occupy Wall Street is a people-powered movement that began on September 17, 2011 in Liberty Square in Manhattan’s Financial District, and has spread to over 100 cities in the United States and actions in over 1,500 cities globally. #ows is fighting back against the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process, and the role of Wall Street in creating an economic collapse that has caused the greatest recession in generations. The movement is inspired by popular uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia, and aims to expose how the richest 1% of people are writing the rules of an unfair global economy that is foreclosing on our future.

About Us | OccupyWallSt.org

Read that paragraph carefully and you'll find nothing about antisemitism, anarchy or the abolishing of this country.

So now that you know what their message is, Jmac, are you on board?
 
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Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

That still happened. That's how the police are taught to handcuff. As you can see in this video, they pepper spray they students, but then they still have to grab them one by one and drag them out, turn them over, and handcuff them.



Which would suggest that even after the brutality of pepper spray, the protesters were still able to resist. Yes, their arms were no longer interlocked with their (forgive me) comrades, which made the job for the cops easier, but they were still able to be good little passive resisters.

What was wrong with the idea of getting up and walking away? Other than the fact that they would not have been arrested for doing so.

And let's get down to it: THAT is what they wanted.

If it hurt a little more than they'd expected, well...live and learn.
 
By the way, it took me an exhaustive six seconds to find Occupy Wallstreet's message on google.



About Us | OccupyWallSt.org

Read that paragraph carefully and you'll find nothing about antisemitism, anarchy or the abolishing of this country.

So now that you know what their message is, Jmac, are you on board?

What this says is kind of misleading then. Because the people interviewed are all over the board, and if they are truly protesting "fighting back against the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process, and the role of Wall Street in creating an economic collapse that has caused the greatest recession in generations." Then they need to go protest the source of their ability to have done what they did, and that is in the Government, at the door of Frank, and Dodd that made possible the removal of regulations that prevented this for decades.

j-mac
 
Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

What was wrong with the idea of getting up and walking away? Other than the fact that they would not have been arrested for doing so.

What's wrong with the ideal of honoring the rights and liberties of the individual?
 
Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

Its pathetic that people are trying to justify this bull****. It blows my mind...:bomb:
 
Re: UC Berkley: Police use excessive force

What's wrong with the ideal of honoring the rights and liberties of the individual?

Not a damn thing.

Are you sure you posted that in the right thread?
 
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