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Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

Thorgasm said:
I accept your challenge.

How did the free market fail to prevent this from happening? :2razz:

This is very tragic.
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Damn you. I was going to say, "I will treat my kids like this fine upstanding citizen."
 
I am not excusing their actions, but you could probably look towards their salary and work conditions. Try being a social worker for a few months and you'll see what I mean.
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You say your not making excuses then you go on to make excuses. Regardless of a persons salary or work conditions it doesn't excuse starving a person with cerebral palsy. 28 pounds. That is not an accidental starvation. You cannot excuse the nurse starving this poor girl because the nurse wasn't getting paid enough. This is personal accountability. Why does everyone who does anything need an excuse.
 
muciti said:
You say your not making excuses then you go on to make excuses. Regardless of a persons salary or work conditions it doesn't excuse starving a person with cerebral palsy. 28 pounds. That is not an accidental starvation. You cannot excuse the nurse starving this poor girl because the nurse wasn't getting paid enough. This is personal accountability. Why does everyone who does anything need an excuse.
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when i was a young hippie, we used to hang out in manitou springs. i miss those days!

i agree with your post 100%.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
You don't let other people fade away and die because you aren't paid enough.

I don't think adequate compensation is the issue, here - look at Jackson's DR getting paid in the 100'000's every year . . . that didn't stop him from being vain and incompetent.

If you paid incompetent people more money they'll just be incompetent people who earn more - it won't change who they are and their failures in life.
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What part of "this does not excuse their actions" did you not understand? People want to know how these things can happen, and I was just providing what I thought to be a valid answer.

OscarB63 said:
then maybe, instead of neglecting their duties and allowing this girl to be starved to death, they should've found another job
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You'll never see the giant gaping hole in your argument will you?
 
muciti said:
You say your not making excuses then you go on to make excuses. Regardless of a persons salary or work conditions it doesn't excuse starving a person with cerebral palsy. 28 pounds. That is not an accidental starvation. You cannot excuse the nurse starving this poor girl because the nurse wasn't getting paid enough. This is personal accountability. Why does everyone who does anything need an excuse.
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Holy ****. It isn't an excuse for their actions, it's one contributing factor as to why he/she could have acted so irresponsibly. How many times can I clarify that it does not excuse his/her actions? If a plane crashes, you look for a reason. It doesn't excuse the crash, but want to know why, right?
 
whysoserious said:
Holy ****. It isn't an excuse for their actions, it's one contributing factor as to why he/she could have acted so irresponsibly. How many times can I clarify that it does not excuse his/her actions? If a plane crashes, you look for a reason. It doesn't excuse the crash, but want to know why, right?
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Fine line between excuses and explanations that some people can't distinguish these days.
 
whysoserious said:
What part of "this does not excuse their actions" did you not understand? People want to know how these things can happen, and I was just providing what I thought to be a valid answer.



You'll never see the giant gaping hole in your argument will you?
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The reason they didn't care is because they just didn't care. You're suggesting that if they were paid more maybe they'd care more. Reason or excuse - that doesn't matter. They just didn't care.
 
whysoserious said:
Holy ****. It isn't an excuse for their actions, it's one contributing factor as to why he/she could have acted so irresponsibly. How many times can I clarify that it does not excuse his/her actions? If a plane crashes, you look for a reason. It doesn't excuse the crash, but want to know why, right?
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call it whatever you like, it is excusing/rationalizing their behavior.

sorry that you can't see the giant gaping hole in your argument.

FYI: the "reason" was that they just didn't care enough to do their job.
 
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whysoserious said:
I am not excusing their actions, but you could probably look towards their salary and work conditions. Try being a social worker for a few months and you'll see what I mean.
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Don't you freakin' dare try to blame this on their salary and working conditions. Jesus freakin' Christ. Further, you have absolutely no idea how much a social worker and nurse working for the state of Ohio make. You're just playing the blame game. "Well, if we paid these people a decent wage, they they wouldn't starve people to death." Unbelievable.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
The reason they didn't care is because they just didn't care. You're suggesting that if they were paid more maybe they'd care more. Reason or excuse - that doesn't matter. They just didn't care.
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So you aren't interested in anything other than these people burning, eh? You don't care to find out any root causes for the issue or preventing them from happening again? Good to know.
 
MaggieD said:
Don't you freakin' dare try to blame this on their salary and working conditions. Jesus freakin' Christ. Further, you have absolutely no idea how much a social worker and nurse working for the state of Ohio make. You're just playing the blame game. "Well, if we paid these people a decent wage, they they wouldn't starve people to death." Unbelievable.
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OscarB63 said:
call it whatever you like, it is excusing/rationalizing their behavior.

sorry that you can't see the giant gaping hole in your argument.

FYI: the "reason" was that they just didn't care enough to do their job.
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Wow, I feel like I am repeating myself. I don't know anything about these three nurses and what happened to cause this and neither do you any of you. You are clearly mistaking excuses for causes. I can't state this any clearer for you.
 
whysoserious said:
Holy ****. It isn't an excuse for their actions, it's one contributing factor as to why he/she could have acted so irresponsibly. How many times can I clarify that it does not excuse his/her actions? If a plane crashes, you look for a reason. It doesn't excuse the crash, but want to know why, right?
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How does how much someone makes contribute to a person acting so irresponsibly as to watch a young woman starve to death? You say, "You look for a reason." Yes, one does.

The reason all three of these women (social workers/nurse) let this poor girl starve to death is become they were lazy ****s who did the bare minimum they had to do to collect their checks. And not an ounce more. I hope they go to jail for negligent homicide.
 
MaggieD said:
How does how much someone makes contribute to a person acting so irresponsibly as to watch a young woman starve to death? You say, "You look for a reason." Yes, one does.

The reason all three of these women (social workers/nurse) let this poor girl starve to death is become they were lazy ****s who did the bare minimum they had to do to collect their checks. And not an ounce more. I hope they go to jail for negligent homicide.
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Oh really you know that? Why bother even having a trial. MaggieD can ****ing rule on this one right now. Pfft. You're unbelievable.

OscarB63 said:
again, the "root cause" is that these people are dirtbags who are too lazy to do their job
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Same here. You and MaggieD can be the judges. You've presided over this case and all 3 of the nurses are clearly lazy dirtbags (what's the sentencing for that again?). Good job guys. You cracked the case. A bunch of regular Shirlock Holmes' here.
 
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whysoserious said:
So you aren't interested in anything other than these people burning, eh? You don't care to find out any root causes for the issue or preventing them from happening again? Good to know.
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again, the "root cause" is that these people are dirtbags who are too lazy to do their job
 
whysoserious said:
So you aren't interested in anything other than these people burning, eh? You don't care to find out any root causes for the issue or preventing them from happening again? Good to know.
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The things needed to be done differently to protect and prevent have nothing to do with paying people more/less - but have to do with investigation, oversight and so forth. Just assuming someone is doing their job doesn't mean they are doing their job. Obviously not enough people are involved in the care of such individuals to allow something like this to have gone on for so long and have ended so tragically.
 
whysoserious said:
So you aren't interested in anything other than these people burning, eh? You don't care to find out any root causes for the issue or preventing them from happening again? Good to know.
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So stupid. Root causes? I can guarantee you one of those "root causes" is not because they weren't paid enough. I cannot tell you how disgusted I am by your off-the-cuff post.
 
whysoserious said:
So you aren't interested in anything other than these people burning, eh? You don't care to find out any root causes for the issue or preventing them from happening again? Good to know.
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the root cause is lack of a conscience. they should be charged, at the very least, with VOLUNTARY manslaughter, and yes, they should burn.
 
whysoserious said:
Wow, I feel like I am repeating myself. I don't know anything about these three nurses and what happened to cause this and neither do you any of you. You are clearly mistaking excuses for causes. I can't state this any clearer for you.
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I know enough about human physiology to know that it takes more than a couple of weeks for a 14 year old to starve down to 28 pounds.

the nurse was supposed to be there 6 days a week to provide support. either she wasn't there or she showed up and did nothing. for that there can be no excuse

the supervisor was supposed to be there every 30 to 60 days. giving her the benefit of the doubt and assuming a very heavy case load, even visiting once very 60 days she should have noticed something was amiss.

the only one with even a glimmer of a "reason" for not doing anything is the 3rd person who was only supposed to visit every 6 months. it is theoritcally possible that she visited and everything was fine and then some time shortly after everything went to **** and they started starving this girl and the girl died within 6 months. but I doubt it, you don't go from providing good care to starving a child to death in that short a period of time.
 
I don't even know why we have a justice system or even bother with investigations into things. You guys have read 3 paragraphs and already know enough about the case to send these people to jail for life, and most of you to Hell for eternity. That says a lot more about you than it does about me.
 
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OscarB63 said:
I know enough about human physiology to know that it takes more than a couple of weeks for a 14 year old to starve down to 28 pounds.

the nurse was supposed to be there 6 days a week to provide support. either she wasn't there or she showed up and did nothing. for that there can be no excuse

the supervisor was supposed to be there every 30 to 60 days. giving her the benefit of the doubt and assuming a very heavy case load, even visiting once very 60 days she should have noticed something was amiss.

the only one with even a glimmer of a "reason" for not doing anything is the 3rd person who was only supposed to visit every 6 months. it is theoritcally possible that she visited and everything was fine and then some time shortly after everything went to **** and they started starving this girl and the girl died within 6 months. but I doubt it, you don't go from providing good care to starving a child to death in that short a period of time.
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Again, but notice the words you are using: "either she was or she wasn't", "assuming", "should have", "supposed", "benefit of the doubt". Admittedly, you know very little about this case, so why are you just going to assume everyone involved is a "lazy dirt bag". Isn't that a depressing way to go through life?

MaggieD said:
So stupid. Root causes? I can guarantee you one of those "root causes" is not because they weren't paid enough. I cannot tell you how disgusted I am by your off-the-cuff post.
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I am disgusted by your ability to hang someone you know nothing about. You read 3 ****ing paragraphs, MaggieD. Let's be honest here.
 
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whysoserious said:
Again, but notice the words you are using: "either she was or she wasn't", "assuming", "should have", "supposed", "benefit of the doubt". Admittedly, you know very little about this case, so why are you just going to assume everyone involved is a "lazy dirt bag". Isn't that a depressing way to go through life?
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really stretching now. I said there were only two options:

1. even though she was supposed to be there 6 days a week providing support, she wasn't (meaning she didn't even show up)

2. she showed up as scheduled and did nothing to prevent this child from starving


since you are oh so very smart, give me a 3rd option that would excuse this piece of filth's behavior
 
OscarB63 said:
really stretching now. I said there were only two options:

1. even though she was supposed to be there 6 days a week providing support, she wasn't (meaning she didn't even show up)

2. she showed up as scheduled and did nothing to prevent this child from starving

since you are oh so very smart, give me a 3rd option that would excuse this piece of filth's behavior
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I have no idea. That's not my job. I am just aware of something called the criminal justice system and I don't just listen to whatever Nancy Grace says on TV. You have not even heard a statement from any one of the four defense attorney's. You have no idea whether what the prosecutor said was true or not, and you have no idea what happened in general.

Now, as for crazy hypotheticals, sure. We can do that. Let's say lady #4 had to take a pay cut recently through all of this state cuts, so she also had to take on a second job. Meanwhile, since states also cut employees, she had to take on four times the case loads. On the week she was supposed to go visit this teenager, her mother died and she went out of town. The case file slipped under the pile of 40 other kids she had to visit, and she never made it to her 6-month check in. But **** it, we don't need to know any of that. This lady is a dirt bag, lazy piece of **** who should go to jail forever and burn in Hell, at least according to you, MellieD, and a few others on here.

It just cracks me up. You guys sit here and read a few sentences and all of the sudden you are all qualified to determine the fate of four other humans.
 
whysoserious said:
Now, as for crazy hypotheticals, sure. We can do that. Let's say lady #4 had to take a pay cut recently through all of this state cuts, so she also had to take on a second job. Meanwhile, since states also cut employees, she had to take on four times the case loads. On the week she was supposed to go visit this teenager, her mother died and she went out of town. The case file slipped under the pile of 40 other kids she had to visit, and she never made it to her 6-month check in. But **** it, we don't need to know any of that. This lady is a dirt bag, lazy piece of **** who should go to jail forever and burn in Hell, at least according to you, MellieD, and a few others on here.
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apparently you don't read so good either. I never claimed lady #4 was a dirtbag. only the mother and the nurse who was supposed to be there 6 days a week

FWIW, still waiting on that logical explanation that would excuse the mother and the nurse for letting this kid starve
 
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OscarB63 said:
apparently you don't read so good either. I never claimed lady #4 was a dirtbag. only the mother and the nurse who was supposed to be there 6 days a week
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Here are all the of the posts.

MaggieD said:
Read more: Ohio Mom Charged In Death Of 28-Pound Teen Daughter | Fox News
(I've snipped this a bit.)

Tell me there is a special place in hell reserved for these four women. Please.
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MaggieD said:
Tell me there is a special place in hell reserved for these four women. Please.
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I'd be satifsfied with a special place in prison
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MaggieD said:
The only possible debate could be a discussion about how 3 employees of the state of Ohio, specifically charged with protecting the welfare of this child, could have failed so negligently. It probably cost taxpayers $100,000 a year (WAG) to starve this poor girl to death.

Proves to me that Ohio's entire child welfare system is broken. Three employees of the state.
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OscarB63 said:
then maybe, instead of neglecting their duties and allowing this girl to be starved to death, they should've found another job
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OscarB63 said:
call it whatever you like, it is excusing/rationalizing their behavior.

sorry that you can't see the giant gaping hole in your argument.

FYI: the "reason" was that they just didn't care enough to do their job.
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MaggieD said:
Don't you freakin' dare try to blame this on their salary and working conditions. Jesus freakin' Christ. Further, you have absolutely no idea how much a social worker and nurse working for the state of Ohio make. You're just playing the blame game. "Well, if we paid these people a decent wage, they they wouldn't starve people to death." Unbelievable.
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MaggieD said:
How does how much someone makes contribute to a person acting so irresponsibly as to watch a young woman starve to death? You say, "You look for a reason." Yes, one does.

The reason all three of these women (social workers/nurse) let this poor girl starve to death is become they were lazy ****s who did the bare minimum they had to do to collect their checks. And not an ounce more. I hope they go to jail for negligent homicide.
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OscarB63 said:
again, the "root cause" is that these people are dirtbags who are too lazy to do their job
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Aunt Spiker said:
The things needed to be done differently to protect and prevent have nothing to do with paying people more/less - but have to do with investigation, oversight and so forth. Just assuming someone is doing their job doesn't mean they are doing their job. Obviously not enough people are involved in the care of such individuals to allow something like this to have gone on for so long and have ended so tragically.
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MaggieD said:
So stupid. Root causes? I can guarantee you one of those "root causes" is not because they weren't paid enough. I cannot tell you how disgusted I am by your off-the-cuff post.
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liblady said:
the root cause is lack of a conscience. they should be charged, at the very least, with VOLUNTARY manslaughter, and yes, they should burn.
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OscarB63 said:
I know enough about human physiology to know that it takes more than a couple of weeks for a 14 year old to starve down to 28 pounds.

the nurse was supposed to be there 6 days a week to provide support. either she wasn't there or she showed up and did nothing. for that there can be no excuse

the supervisor was supposed to be there every 30 to 60 days. giving her the benefit of the doubt and assuming a very heavy case load, even visiting once very 60 days she should have noticed something was amiss.

the only one with even a glimmer of a "reason" for not doing anything is the 3rd person who was only supposed to visit every 6 months. it is theoritcally possible that she visited and everything was fine and then some time shortly after everything went to **** and they started starving this girl and the girl died within 6 months. but I doubt it, you don't go from providing good care to starving a child to death in that short a period of time.
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Not by your posts and the posts of others. Please highlight to me the areas where you and others made it clear that you did not already prejudge all 4 of these women? I don't think MaggieD would even bother saying she didn't, since she said it explicitly a few times (along with a couple of others). In fact, you even quoted her post (the second post in the entire thread) and said you agreed that all 4 should be in jail.

So, again, you guys literally know nothing about any of these women and you've already sentenced them to jail, and, a couple of you, to Hell. That's pretty awesome. Admittedly, for the mother and the daily nurse, things aren't looking so good.
 
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