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    Re: Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    The pay of social workers is irrelevant. It does not matter. Neither do her working conditions. How exactly does blaming her wages prevent this from happening again. I dont care if this woman was being paid absolutely nothing and being forced to into that home against her will. She needs to deal with that through the labor department, her employer or whom ever else. You don't take it out on a 14 year old girl with cerebral palsy who is depending on you to take care of her.
    Not "blaming" but pointing out the salary and working condition. Better salary and working conditions might make the job attractive to better workers who are responsible and care about their job, which would lessen the likelihood of this happening.

    If we look at the individual case, the people who leave the girl to starve to death are responsible, but from a policy perspective, explaining why this happened can lead to changes that prevent it from happening again.
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    Re: Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

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    Not "blaming" but pointing out the salary and working condition. Better salary and working conditions might make the job attractive to better workers who are responsible and care about their job, which would lessen the likelihood of this happening.

    If we look at the individual case, the people who leave the girl to starve to death are responsible, but from a policy perspective, explaining why this happened can lead to changes that prevent it from happening again.
    So - do you have evidence that people who are paid more fulfill their job duties more readily when it comes to care of the ill and disabled?

    I always thought that people who drawn to that type of work because they wanted to help people and improve their lives - I didn't think the money they'd earn was necessarily a factor.

    How much did these women get paid, anyway?
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    Re: Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    This is what is wrong with our health care system. Far too often nurses are given the responsibilities that once were with doctors. A doctor would be less likely to allow this to happen. They have much more to lose.
    I think going to jail is a lot to lose for anybody.
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    Re: Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    So - do you have evidence that people who are paid more fulfill their job duties more readily when it comes to care of the ill and disabled?
    I do know that smart capable people are attracted to high paying jobs - such as in the Financial sector. If you can attract those people to do this job, the result would be better.

    I always thought that people who drawn to that type of work because they wanted to help people and improve their lives - I didn't think the money they'd earn was necessarily a factor.
    Well, these women don't seem to care about the girl or improving her life. Maybe attracting people to whom money is a factor and who then want to keep this job is a better option.



    How much did these women get paid, anyway?
    I don't know. Are you disputing the claim the social work is an unattractive job to many people due to the salary and working conditions?
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    Re: Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

    This was, quite frankly, a conspiracy to murder. There was nothing "involuntary" about it. Four people knowingly conspired to starve a disabled child to death. Period.

    The only things more shocking that this crime are some of the posts in this thread.

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    Re: Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    This was, quite frankly, a conspiracy to murder. There was nothing "involuntary" about it. Four people knowingly conspired to starve a disabled child to death. Period.

    The only things more shocking that this crime are some of the posts in this thread.
    agreed. the only thing more shocking than that 4 people would allow a child to starve is that there are actually people who would defend/excuse them
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    Re: Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    agreed. the only thing more shocking than that 4 people would allow a child to starve is that there are actually people who would defend/excuse them
    I don't think people are looking to excuse or defend, but to understand. How can 4 people allow a child to be harmed so? I personally cannot wrap my head around it, other than to say they are evil. But the next question should be why would they allow these 4 people to handle such matters? What is wrong with the system if such neglect can be allowed and ignored?

    It's not so simple as this is not an isolated case. This isn't the first time social workers failed to save a child in danger.
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    Re: Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    I don't think people are looking to excuse or defend, but to understand. How can 4 people allow a child to be harmed so? I personally cannot wrap my head around it, other than to say they are evil. But the next question should be why would they allow these 4 people to handle such matters? What is wrong with the system if such neglect can be allowed and ignored?

    It's not so simple as this is not an isolated case. This isn't the first time social workers failed to save a child in danger.
    it is the first time I have ever seen anyone argue, "well, if they paid them better they would've done a better job". as if this excuses the behavior of these social workers
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    Re: Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    it is the first time I have ever seen anyone argue, "well, if they paid them better they would've done a better job". as if this excuses the behavior of these social workers
    I don't think that's the case at all. If anything, it would be, "if they paid social workers more, they would attract more people to the profession and avoid burnout due to overworked employees. They would also attract more quality workers. People more willing to that extra step, willing to put themselves at risk for the welfare of children."

    You should not expect quality if you aren't willing to shell out the cash for it. Sure, you may luck out and get good deals, but that is a rare occasion.
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    Re: Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    I don't think that's the case at all. If anything, it would be, "if they paid social workers more, they would attract more people to the profession and avoid burnout due to overworked employees. They would also attract more quality workers. People more willing to that extra step, willing to put themselves at risk for the welfare of children."

    You should not expect quality if you aren't willing to shell out the cash for it. Sure, you may luck out and get good deals, but that is a rare occasion.
    The only excuse any employee could possibly have in this situation is that he/she wasn't able to visit because of a heavy caseload. That's it. Period. Compassion and dedication can't be bought. Blowing the whistle on bad situations is exactly what these people are entrusted to do. No amount of money can turn assholes into caring human beings.
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