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    Re: Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
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    Not by your posts and the posts of others. Please highlight to me the areas where you and others made it clear that you did not already prejudge all 4 of these women? I don't think MaggieD would even bother saying she didn't, since she said it explicitly a few times (along with a couple of others). In fact, you even quoted her post (the second post in the entire thread) and said you agreed that all 4 should be in jail.

    So, again, you guys literally know nothing about any of these women and you've already sentenced them to jail, and, a couple of you, to Hell. That's pretty awesome. Admittedly, for the mother and the daily nurse, things aren't looking so good.
    apparently you missed the post where I specifically called out mom and the nurse

    as I said, maybe I am jaded and cynical. I was a foster parent for 8 years and dealt with many "social workers". almost without exception, they were fat ladies with a chip on their shoulder who acted like they were doing you a favor anytime you asked them to do their job.
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    Re: Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    apparently you missed the post where I specifically called out mom and the nurse

    as I said, maybe I am jaded and cynical. I was a foster parent for 8 years and dealt with many "social workers". almost without exception, they were fat ladies with a chip on their shoulder who acted like they were doing you a favor anytime you asked them to do their job.
    Where did that happen? I quoted everything you said in this thread so I am not sure where I "missed it". I am just responding to attacks against me. I like to see due process and I like to know why things happen. I do not see the harm in that.
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    Re: Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Here are all the of the posts.

    Not by your posts and the posts of others. Please highlight to me the areas where you and others made it clear that you did not already prejudge all 4 of these women? I don't think MaggieD would even bother saying she didn't, since she said it explicitly a few times (along with a couple of others). In fact, you even quoted her post (the second post in the entire thread) and said you agreed that all 4 should be in jail.

    So, again, you guys literally know nothing about any of these women and you've already sentenced them to jail, and, a couple of you, to Hell. That's pretty awesome. Admittedly, for the mother and the daily nurse, things aren't looking so good.
    You're claiming that possibly they did nothing wrong?

    I'm not passing judgment in a judicial way per their level of guilt and sentencing so leave me out of your finger pointing, there. However - I think the basic facts of this situation are completely obvious and undeniable and they themselves likely can't even argue against them - things are what they are:

    The teen was confined to her home and was supposed to be cared for by her mother and Parsons, a licensed practical nurse whose job was to administer care for the girl six days a week, according to the prosecutor.

    Williams and Kilby are registered nurses, the prosecutor's office said. Williams was paid to supervise Parsons and visit and inspect the living conditions and do a physical assessment of the girl every 30 to 60 days. Kilby was scheduled to visit every six months to also check on conditions of the home and assess the girl's health, needs and care, the statement said.
    Obviously they had certain job responsibilities - and seeing as how she was neglected, withered away, and died as a result - the prevention of which WAS their job . . . I'd think it's just inarguable to state that they failed to do their jobs.

    But by all means: if you feel they might have fulfilled their duties and satisfied their job requirements point it out.

    If - as the case proceeds - evidence come forth proving otherwise then that wold be quite satisfactory. But based on how things are right now - that's how it is.

    And i think you're just conjuring up recollections of people's past responses to things such as Casey Anthony's case (etc) and imagining that people are responding to this case the same way. In comparison - from what I remember - things in this thread have been extremely docile and polite.

    There's nothing wrong with people trying to discern guilt in any case based on facts reported and presented - if people stopped doing this I'd actually worry about Humanities new found lack of concern, awareness and involvement.
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    Re: Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

    So you aren't interested in anything other than these people burning, eh? You don't care to find out any root causes for the issue or preventing them from happening again? Good to know.
    Where did that happen? I quoted everything you said in this thread so I am not sure where I "missed it". I am just responding to attacks against me. I like to see due process and I like to know why things happen. I do not see the harm in that.
    The pay of social workers is irrelevant. It does not matter. Neither do her working conditions. How exactly does blaming her wages prevent this from happening again. I dont care if this woman was being paid absolutely nothing and being forced to into that home against her will. She needs to deal with that through the labor department, her employer or whom ever else. You don't take it out on a 14 year old girl with cerebral palsy who is depending on you to take care of her.

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    Re: Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    The pay of social workers is irrelevant. It does not matter. Neither do her working conditions. How exactly does blaming her wages prevent this from happening again. I dont care if this woman was being paid absolutely nothing and being forced to into that home against her will. She needs to deal with that through the labor department, her employer or whom ever else. You don't take it out on a 14 year old girl with cerebral palsy who is depending on you to take care of her.
    Exactly - dissatisfaction with pay for ANYONE should be dealt with properly and isn't even related to this situation at all.
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    Re: Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    If - as the case proceeds - evidence come forth proving otherwise then that wold be quite satisfactory. But based on how things are right now - that's how it is.

    And i think you're just conjuring up recollections of people's past responses to things such as Casey Anthony's case (etc) and imagining that people are responding to this case the same way. In comparison - from what I remember - things in this thread have been extremely docile and polite.

    There's nothing wrong with people trying to discern guilt in any case based on facts reported and presented - if people stopped doing this I'd actually worry about Humanities new found lack of concern, awareness and involvement.
    I am conjuring things up? I have never once said any one of these ladies is innocent of anything, and you, along with a few others, seem to to be accusing me of all sorts of shenanigans. I have done nothing other than point to a flaw that I see in our system and as something that should be looked for in this case, and told people to tone down the "they should burn in Hell" rhetoric. Please, tell me if anything in there is wrong, because I do not see it.

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    The pay of social workers is irrelevant. It does not matter. Neither do her working conditions. How exactly does blaming her wages prevent this from happening again. I dont care if this woman was being paid absolutely nothing and being forced to into that home against her will. She needs to deal with that through the labor department, her employer or whom ever else. You don't take it out on a 14 year old girl with cerebral palsy who is depending on you to take care of her.
    Again, you mixing up causes with excuses. Perhaps this is partially my fault for using the word "her" when there are more than one women involved. Keep in mind, there are three government employees being charged here, not just one. Also keep in mind you also only have statements from the prosecutor and none from the defense. I guarantee you not one of us even has close to the full scope of what went on here, and passing judgment at this point would be quite obtuse.

    Lastly, I am only attempting to point to a flaw in the system that I know first hand - and that flaw is that social workers are generally underpaid, under appreciated, and over worked. Does that excuse negligence? Of course not, but it can be a cause of negligence.
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    Re: Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

    Again, you mixing up causes with excuses. Perhaps this is partially my fault for using the word "her" when there are more than one women involved. Keep in mind, there are three government employees being charged here, not just one. Keep in mind you also only have statements from the prosecutor and none from the defense. I guarantee you not one of us even has close to the full scope of what went on here, and passing judgment at this point would be quite obtuse.
    28lb 14 year old girl died who was under the care of this woman and her own mother. There is no defense for that.

    Lastly, I am only attempting to point to a flaw in the system that I know first hand - and that flaw is that social workers are generally underpaid, under appreciated, and over worked. Does that excuse negligence? Of course not, but it can be a cause of negligence.
    It does not cause it. Being underpaid does not cause hate for a 14 year old girl. Especially not to this degree.

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    Re: Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    28lb 14 year old girl died who was under the care of this woman and her own mother. There is no defense for that.
    There are four women involved. And I agree, there would be no decent defense against that for the primary nurse and the mother unless the prosecutor is not being truthful.

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    It does not cause it. Being underpaid does not cause hate for a 14 year old girl. Especially not to this degree.
    I don't know how to address this statement. What the hell are you talking about? Take a deep breath, relax a minute, and try to comprehend this.

    1) You read two-three paragraphs. That means you know ****.
    2) There are four women being charged, not two.
    3) You literally know nothing about any of those four women.
    4) You have not heard a defense from any of the women.

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    Re: Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I am conjuring things up? I have never once said any one of these ladies is innocent of anything, and you, along with a few others, seem to to be accusing me of all sorts of shenanigans. I have done nothing other than point to a flaw that I see in our system and as something that should be looked for in this case, and told people to tone down the "they should burn in Hell" rhetoric. Please, tell me if anything in there is wrong, because I do not see it.



    Again, you mixing up causes with excuses. Perhaps this is partially my fault for using the word "her" when there are more than one women involved. Keep in mind, there are three government employees being charged here, not just one. Also keep in mind you also only have statements from the prosecutor and none from the defense. I guarantee you not one of us even has close to the full scope of what went on here, and passing judgment at this point would be quite obtuse.

    Lastly, I am only attempting to point to a flaw in the system that I know first hand - and that flaw is that social workers are generally underpaid, under appreciated, and over worked. Does that excuse negligence? Of course not, but it can be a cause of negligence.
    Sounds like you are their union rep.

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    Re: Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    Sounds like you are their union rep.
    Yeah, due process is a bitch. If only we could get around that pesky system, then people like you and others on this thread could continue banishing people to burn in hell after reading 3 paragraphs. Good job, man!
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