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    Re: Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Holy ****. It isn't an excuse for their actions, it's one contributing factor as to why he/she could have acted so irresponsibly. How many times can I clarify that it does not excuse his/her actions? If a plane crashes, you look for a reason. It doesn't excuse the crash, but want to know why, right?
    Fine line between excuses and explanations that some people can't distinguish these days.
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    Re: Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    What part of "this does not excuse their actions" did you not understand? People want to know how these things can happen, and I was just providing what I thought to be a valid answer.



    You'll never see the giant gaping hole in your argument will you?
    The reason they didn't care is because they just didn't care. You're suggesting that if they were paid more maybe they'd care more. Reason or excuse - that doesn't matter. They just didn't care.
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    Re: Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Holy ****. It isn't an excuse for their actions, it's one contributing factor as to why he/she could have acted so irresponsibly. How many times can I clarify that it does not excuse his/her actions? If a plane crashes, you look for a reason. It doesn't excuse the crash, but want to know why, right?
    call it whatever you like, it is excusing/rationalizing their behavior.

    sorry that you can't see the giant gaping hole in your argument.

    FYI: the "reason" was that they just didn't care enough to do their job.
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    Re: Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I am not excusing their actions, but you could probably look towards their salary and work conditions. Try being a social worker for a few months and you'll see what I mean.
    Don't you freakin' dare try to blame this on their salary and working conditions. Jesus freakin' Christ. Further, you have absolutely no idea how much a social worker and nurse working for the state of Ohio make. You're just playing the blame game. "Well, if we paid these people a decent wage, they they wouldn't starve people to death." Unbelievable.
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    Re: Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    The reason they didn't care is because they just didn't care. You're suggesting that if they were paid more maybe they'd care more. Reason or excuse - that doesn't matter. They just didn't care.
    So you aren't interested in anything other than these people burning, eh? You don't care to find out any root causes for the issue or preventing them from happening again? Good to know.
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    Re: Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Don't you freakin' dare try to blame this on their salary and working conditions. Jesus freakin' Christ. Further, you have absolutely no idea how much a social worker and nurse working for the state of Ohio make. You're just playing the blame game. "Well, if we paid these people a decent wage, they they wouldn't starve people to death." Unbelievable.
    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    call it whatever you like, it is excusing/rationalizing their behavior.

    sorry that you can't see the giant gaping hole in your argument.

    FYI: the "reason" was that they just didn't care enough to do their job.
    Wow, I feel like I am repeating myself. I don't know anything about these three nurses and what happened to cause this and neither do you any of you. You are clearly mistaking excuses for causes. I can't state this any clearer for you.
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    Re: Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Holy ****. It isn't an excuse for their actions, it's one contributing factor as to why he/she could have acted so irresponsibly. How many times can I clarify that it does not excuse his/her actions? If a plane crashes, you look for a reason. It doesn't excuse the crash, but want to know why, right?
    How does how much someone makes contribute to a person acting so irresponsibly as to watch a young woman starve to death? You say, "You look for a reason." Yes, one does.

    The reason all three of these women (social workers/nurse) let this poor girl starve to death is become they were lazy ****s who did the bare minimum they had to do to collect their checks. And not an ounce more. I hope they go to jail for negligent homicide.
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    Re: Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    How does how much someone makes contribute to a person acting so irresponsibly as to watch a young woman starve to death? You say, "You look for a reason." Yes, one does.

    The reason all three of these women (social workers/nurse) let this poor girl starve to death is become they were lazy ****s who did the bare minimum they had to do to collect their checks. And not an ounce more. I hope they go to jail for negligent homicide.
    Oh really you know that? Why bother even having a trial. MaggieD can ****ing rule on this one right now. Pfft. You're unbelievable.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    again, the "root cause" is that these people are dirtbags who are too lazy to do their job
    Same here. You and MaggieD can be the judges. You've presided over this case and all 3 of the nurses are clearly lazy dirtbags (what's the sentencing for that again?). Good job guys. You cracked the case. A bunch of regular Shirlock Holmes' here.
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    Re: Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    So you aren't interested in anything other than these people burning, eh? You don't care to find out any root causes for the issue or preventing them from happening again? Good to know.
    again, the "root cause" is that these people are dirtbags who are too lazy to do their job
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    Re: Ohio Mom Charged in Death of 28-Pound Teen Daughter

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    So you aren't interested in anything other than these people burning, eh? You don't care to find out any root causes for the issue or preventing them from happening again? Good to know.
    The things needed to be done differently to protect and prevent have nothing to do with paying people more/less - but have to do with investigation, oversight and so forth. Just assuming someone is doing their job doesn't mean they are doing their job. Obviously not enough people are involved in the care of such individuals to allow something like this to have gone on for so long and have ended so tragically.
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