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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    I agree, the article was crystal clear. I don't know how a person could read it and not immediately ask the question "How was the majority of the state budget that was sent to locals spent?"
    To ask that question would make them realize they were wrong. Can't have that now...

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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

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    About 50.0% of the money they forward to the locals is used for PS employee compensation at the local level.
    Source for that assertion?

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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    To ask that question would make them realize they were wrong. Can't have that now...
    It would be more convincing if you answered the question, with references, rather than pulling a number out of your a$$ and acting like it didn't smell.

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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Yes, even a quarter of Wisconsin Republicans are sick of his ass. You didn't think that people, even Republicans, could be tricked into voting against their own interests forever, did you?

    I have previously predicted that, although the Senate is going to flip, Walker will survive the recall. I still stick with this prediction, but admittedly, I am out on a limb now, and I am not sure that this will be the result. Governor Walker is extremely vulnerable now. He has sown a lot of douchebaggery, so it is reasonable to expect him to reap a lot of disgust.

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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    To ask that question would make them realize they were wrong. Can't have that now...
    You can ask "that question" all you want. What you cannot do is somehow extrapolate from the article, for absolutely no discernable reason, that 40% of Wisconsin's tax revenue is spent on the salaries of public employees.

    You have some explaining to do.

    This is not some joke. You are messing with the means of people who earn a modest, middle class income. If you are going to make such a reckless assertion, you damn well better put your cards on the table.

    Now, where in the world did you come up with that figure? Show us your math or kindly recant.

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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Source for that assertion?
    I picked that up a while ago. Sometimes you just accumulate knoweldge, and don't exactly recall what the source was. I live right across the border (5 minutes) from WI, so I hear a lot about what's occuring up there on TV and radio and news papers.

    For example, if you asked me for a source confirming that Walker gave less money to the locals, which is what necessitated Act 10 - so they could make due with less funding - I would have a hard time providing. It's just info I picked up a long the way.

    I'll see if I can find it again, but I can not promise. However, it you are fair you should be able to acknowledge that it's at least reasonable, since the state itself is spending about 60% of the money they actually use on PS employee compensation. 50.0% at the local level, is in the same ballpark.

    When a local government (dem or republican) has to fix a budget, think of the first things they do on the spending side. They request furlough days or layoffs of PS union employees. It must be an awfully big slice of their spending if that is almost always the fall back position -such as just happened in Cook County (Chicago) yesterday. 775 employees laid off to meet budget. Just read it today, so I can provide a link.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1102374.html
    Last edited by buck; 11-19-11 at 09:00 PM.

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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Source for that assertion?
    I can not vouch for this source. It is not the source I got the infomation from originally and there is info in here that I disagree with. Additionally, it has "Christian" in the name, so prepare yourself for that, it could be painful for one such as yourself.
    Lastly, this seems to be talking about state spending overall, and is not WI specific.

    In 2007-2008 (the most current year data is available) wages and salaries–excluding pension contributions and other benefits– made up 38 percent of state and local current spending. For local governments, wages and salaries represent 46 percent of current spending.
    Is public employee compensation really causing Wisconsin's budget woes? - CSMonitor.com
    Last edited by buck; 11-19-11 at 09:14 PM.

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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    UP With Unions, Down with the PEOPLE! **** balanced budgets, responsible spending and fiscal sovereignty! Unions gots to be PAID YO.
    Care to explain what you are trying to say in your little rant here?
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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I can not vouch for this source. It is not the source I got the infomation from originally and there is info in here that I disagree with. Additionally, it has "Christian" in the name, so prepare yourself for that, it could be painful for one such as yourself.
    Lastly, this seems to be talking about state spending overall, and is not WI specific.

    Is public employee compensation really causing Wisconsin's budget woes? - CSMonitor.com
    I consider the CSMonitor to be a very good source, although I don't know anything about the guest blogger who authored the piece. In any case, the author states that, "[f]or states, salaries and wages account for 26 percent" which is a lot closer to 18% than 60%.

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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I consider the CSMonitor to be a very good source, although I don't know anything about the guest blogger who authored the piece. In any case, the author states that, "[f]or states, salaries and wages account for 26 percent" which is a lot closer to 18% than 60%.
    Please note, as bolded in what I copied, that excludes PS union employee's pension and other benefits. Additionally, we already know that in WI, the state allocates 60% of their spending - minus what they send to local governments - to state union employees wage and benefits. Let's not go backwards, now. The above link indicates that the local governments spend roughly 46% just on wages/salary.
    Last edited by buck; 11-19-11 at 10:01 PM.

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