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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Did you read the article you linked to? If so, why did you misrepresent what it said?
    There are different ways of taking the numbers. The 60% is most accurate, IMO, since it is dealing with the services that the state actually provides. most of the rest of the state's budget is forwarded to the locals. The locals use a percentage of those funds to pay for their local public sector union employees. I've read that 50.0% of the local's budget is used for PS union employee compensation. Which is why I originally indicated 40.0% of the state's topal spending is used for PS union comp and benefits. You are free to disagree with me, but I feel I am in pretty good company with the comptroller of Milwaukee.

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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Did you read the article you linked to? If so, why did you misrepresent what it said?
    What did he misrepresent?
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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    There are different ways of taking the numbers. The 60% is most accurate, IMO, since it is dealing with the services that the state actually provides. most of the rest of the state's budget is forwarded to the locals. The locals use a percentage of those funds to pay for their local public sector union employees. I've read that 50.0% of the local's budget is used for PS union employee compensation. Which is why I originally indicated 40.0% of the state's topal spending is used for PS union comp and benefits. You are free to disagree with me, but I feel I am in pretty good company with the comptroller of Milwaukee.
    I was going to make a similar comment. The majority of the state budget is sent to locals to pay for...........salaries of teachers, health care providers (and their employees), etc.
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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    What did he misrepresent?
    Yeah, I didn't get that either. I thought I had copied enough of that article to make it pretty clear. I also thought I was very clear in what I posted. Shrug.

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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    What is wrong with you?

    Your own link puts the high end at 17.7% From what orifice did you pull that 40% figure?

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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    There are different ways of taking the numbers. The 60% is most accurate, IMO, since it is dealing with the services that the state actually provides. most of the rest of the state's budget is forwarded to the locals. The locals use a percentage of those funds to pay for their local public sector union employees. I've read that 50.0% of the local's budget is used for PS union employee compensation. Which is why I originally indicated 40.0% of the state's topal spending is used for PS union comp and benefits. You are free to disagree with me, but I feel I am in pretty good company with the comptroller of Milwaukee.
    You seem to be confusing the cost of state services with the cost of public employee salaries.

    Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    There are different ways of taking the numbers. The 60% is most accurate, IMO, since it is dealing with the services that the state actually provides. most of the rest of the state's budget is forwarded to the locals. The locals use a percentage of those funds to pay for their local public sector union employees. I've read that 50.0% of the local's budget is used for PS union employee compensation. Which is why I originally indicated 40.0% of the state's topal spending is used for PS union comp and benefits. You are free to disagree with me, but I feel I am in pretty good company with the comptroller of Milwaukee.
    There is only one way to take the numbers: the total state expenditure versus the expenditure for employee salaries. The latter constitutes 17.5% of the former.

    It makes no sense to use the direct services number because the state is just as capable of cutting payments to local government as it is of cutting direct services. How could it possibly make sense to ignore 2/3 of the state's spending? It doesn't. It's just an obvious attempt to inflate the significance of payroll.

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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Yeah, I didn't get that either. I thought I had copied enough of that article to make it pretty clear. I also thought I was very clear in what I posted. Shrug.
    I agree, the article was crystal clear. I don't know how a person could read it and not immediately ask the question "How was the majority of the state budget that was sent to locals spent?"
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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    I agree, the article was crystal clear. I don't know how a person could read it and not immediately ask the question "How was the majority of the state budget that was sent to locals spent?"
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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    There is only one way to take the numbers: the total state expenditure versus the expenditure for employee salaries. The latter constitutes 17.5% of the former.

    It makes no sense to use the direct services number because the state is just as capable of cutting payments to local government as it is of cutting direct services. How could it possibly make sense to ignore 2/3 of the state's spending? It doesn't. It's just an obvious attempt to inflate the significance of payroll.
    The state itself spends about 60.0% of the money they actually use on PS employee compensation. About 50.0% of the money they forward to the locals is used for PS employee compensation at the local level. In order to arrive at the accurate number of what the PS union employee's cost is to the WI taxpayer, you have to include PS employee compensation at both the local and state level. The number quoted in the article, is obviously just the expenses at the state level.

    BTW, Walker's budget did provide less to the locals. In order to allow the locals to make due with a smaller budget, he passed Act 10, which saved the local's a bunch of money in PS employee compensation and work rules.
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