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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Maybe they are educated and they just don't like it. That you do not leave room for this possibility illustrates your own inability to remain objective with this subjective.
    To remain objective with this subjective. Well. How should I respond to that? I'm objective. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm subjective. I've done my homework. Walker is trying to clean up a cesspool. He may be recalled. But his goals (albiet maybe not his methods) are noble.
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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm subjective.
    That's the point. You assume those who disagree with you need to be educated. Maybe they don't. Maybe they are educated and they just disagree with you. Or is your opinion the only one a person can arrive to with objectivity?

    *note: The "with subjective" at the end of my comment was a typo. I have not idea where that came from.

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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    That's the point. You assume those who disagree with you need to be educated. Maybe they don't. Maybe they are educated and they just disagree with you. Or is your opinion the only one a person can arrive to with objectivity?

    *note: The "with subjective" at the end of my comment was a typo. I have not idea where that came from.
    That post actually came from my discussion with another poster on this thread who said there's no double dipping of public pensions in Wisconsin. After it was well proven to him by several of us, he recanted and said he thought that should be changed. Finally. One public sector union supporter who found out the truth and changed his mind. A rare bird. (Yeah, I know it was a typo...teasing.)
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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That post actually came from my discussion with another poster on this thread who said there's no double dipping of public pensions in Wisconsin.
    Yeah, that was you're conversation with AdamT. I'm talking about this post with dan.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No, they need to be educated on what Walker's done and what he's trying to do.
    It's wrong because it's presumptuous. People can disagree with you and be educated.

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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    It's wrong because it's presumptuous. People can disagree with you and be educated.
    From the OP:
    Pollster Wendy Scattergood said Republicans who support recalling Walker are younger, have a lower income and are less educated than the rest of the sample in the poll.

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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Adam. Really? This article does not say that Gov. Walker has asked that his staff be exempt. Please try to be fair. What it says is that he isn't going to ask the few of his staff members involved to give up their pensions. The point is, it's legal now. Going forward, Walker is working at making it illegal. No one will give up their pension until and unless the law changes. That'd just be stupid.

    Why can't we ever be honest and fair?
    I'm not sure what you were reading, but the link I posted clearly states that Walker would not ask his staffers to give up their pensions while still collecting paychecks from the state:

    In the past five and a half years, at least 6,829 state and local government employees covered by the Wisconsin Retirement System left then returned to work, simultaneously earning a pension and a salary.

    Those include two of Gov. Scott Walker's cabinet secretaries: Corrections Secretary Gary Hamblin and Children and Families Secretary Eloise Anderson, both earning six-figure salaries along with their public pensions.

    Stephen Fitzgerald, superintendent of the Wisconsin State Patrol, whose sons, Scott and Jeff, run the Senate and Assembly, respectively, also is back on the payroll while continuing to collect a state pension.

    On Friday, Walker said he supports a bill that would end double dipping. But the Republican governor has no plans to ask his appointees to stop taking their pensions, spokesman Cullen Werwie said.

    "They weren't rehired into a position they had been in before," Werwie said. "These were people who had been collecting their annuities long in advance of their service to Gov. Walker, in totally different jobs."

    Yes, he does offer a justification, but can you not see that exception swallowing the rule in the blink of an eye? If they change the law to prevent double dipping, but make an exception for people hire into a different position, you will very quickly see former "teachers" being hired back as "class room administraters" or some such bullsh*t. And what is the reason for the exception? If you work for the state you work for the state and you should not be pulling a pension.
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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

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    And?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No, they need to be educated on what Walker's done and what he's trying to do.
    I don't see any mention of education in general - just educated on the specifics of Walker. Again, it's presumptuous to assume they aren't educated on what Walker's done and what he's trying to do.

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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

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    They're Republicans -- of course they're less educated.

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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No, they need to be educated on what Walker's done and what he's trying to do. You have no objectivity where unions are concerned. But I love you anyway.
    Actually, I do have objectivity. When I was younger, I was in the UAW. I hated being in it, and so came to Texas, where I didn't have to join a union. But that's me. Because I personally don't like unions doesn't mean that I should attempt to force my view down the throats of the majority, and face it..... The majority of voters in Wisconsin did not want the unions busted. Walker should either accept what the people want, or he should leave office voluntarily, or he should be forced out by his own citizenry, who he lied to while running for office. Texas doesn't want unions, so it is a right to work state. I am cool with that. But Wisconsin, Ohio, and Michigan are not Texas. The GOP had an agenda for breaking the unions. They did not tell that to the constituents in the states where they ran. They said that they needed to address budget problems only. If they had told the truth in the beginning, the governors of those states would never have been elected in the first place.
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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I don't see any mention of education in general - just educated on the specifics of Walker. Again, it's presumptuous to assume they aren't educated on what Walker's done and what he's trying to do.
    I typically find that less educated people tend to be less knowledgable on politics and policy. These are people, apparently, that didn't have the time, ability or desire to educate themselves and improve their lot in life (they are also amongst the lowest earners). I doubt that many of them have the time, ability or desire to educate themselves on the effects of policy decisions.
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