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New poll shows majority support Walker recall

Adam. Really? This article does not say that Gov. Walker has asked that his staff be exempt. Please try to be fair. What it says is that he isn't going to ask the few of his staff members involved to give up their pensions. The point is, it's legal now. Going forward, Walker is working at making it illegal. No one will give up their pension until and unless the law changes. That'd just be stupid.

Why can't we ever be honest and fair?

I'm not sure what you were reading, but the link I posted clearly states that Walker would not ask his staffers to give up their pensions while still collecting paychecks from the state:

In the past five and a half years, at least 6,829 state and local government employees covered by the Wisconsin Retirement System left then returned to work, simultaneously earning a pension and a salary.

Those include two of Gov. Scott Walker's cabinet secretaries: Corrections Secretary Gary Hamblin and Children and Families Secretary Eloise Anderson, both earning six-figure salaries along with their public pensions.

Stephen Fitzgerald, superintendent of the Wisconsin State Patrol, whose sons, Scott and Jeff, run the Senate and Assembly, respectively, also is back on the payroll while continuing to collect a state pension.

On Friday, Walker said he supports a bill that would end double dipping. But the Republican governor has no plans to ask his appointees to stop taking their pensions, spokesman Cullen Werwie said.

"They weren't rehired into a position they had been in before," Werwie said. "These were people who had been collecting their annuities long in advance of their service to Gov. Walker, in totally different jobs."


Yes, he does offer a justification, but can you not see that exception swallowing the rule in the blink of an eye? If they change the law to prevent double dipping, but make an exception for people hire into a different position, you will very quickly see former "teachers" being hired back as "class room administraters" or some such bullsh*t. And what is the reason for the exception? If you work for the state you work for the state and you should not be pulling a pension.
 
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And?

From Maggie's post:

No, they need to be educated on what Walker's done and what he's trying to do.

I don't see any mention of education in general - just educated on the specifics of Walker. Again, it's presumptuous to assume they aren't educated on what Walker's done and what he's trying to do.
 
No, they need to be educated on what Walker's done and what he's trying to do. You have no objectivity where unions are concerned. But I love you anyway. ;)

Actually, I do have objectivity. When I was younger, I was in the UAW. I hated being in it, and so came to Texas, where I didn't have to join a union. But that's me. Because I personally don't like unions doesn't mean that I should attempt to force my view down the throats of the majority, and face it..... The majority of voters in Wisconsin did not want the unions busted. Walker should either accept what the people want, or he should leave office voluntarily, or he should be forced out by his own citizenry, who he lied to while running for office. Texas doesn't want unions, so it is a right to work state. I am cool with that. But Wisconsin, Ohio, and Michigan are not Texas. The GOP had an agenda for breaking the unions. They did not tell that to the constituents in the states where they ran. They said that they needed to address budget problems only. If they had told the truth in the beginning, the governors of those states would never have been elected in the first place.
 
I don't see any mention of education in general - just educated on the specifics of Walker. Again, it's presumptuous to assume they aren't educated on what Walker's done and what he's trying to do.

I typically find that less educated people tend to be less knowledgable on politics and policy. These are people, apparently, that didn't have the time, ability or desire to educate themselves and improve their lot in life (they are also amongst the lowest earners). I doubt that many of them have the time, ability or desire to educate themselves on the effects of policy decisions.
 
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I typically find that less educated people tend to be less knowledgable on politics and political decisions. These are people, apaprently, that didn't have the time,ability or desire to educate themselves and improve their lot in life. I doubt that many of them have the time, ability or desire to educate themselves on the effects of political decisions.
Meh, not necessarily. They may be less educated on politics in general, but a lot of them are educated on the subjects that are important to them. Also, Walker has been on the news a lot, so it doesn't take much to be educated about him.
 
Meh, not necessarily. They may be less educated on politics in general, but a lot of them are educated on the subjects that are important to them. Also, Walker has been on the news a lot, so it doesn't take much to be educated about him.

A lot of the benefits of the law have not been reported with the same zeal that the protester's complaints were covered. Since they really weren't covered too much, you really do need to do a lot more research then "just watching the local news".

However, and to be fair, there has been a lot of talk in the WI media (starting just yesterday) about all of the districts lowering their tax rates - the first time in 6 years - directly because of Walker and Act 10.
 
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I'm not sure what you were reading, but the link I posted clearly states that Walker would not ask his staffers to give up their pensions while still collecting paychecks from the state:




Yes, he does offer a justification, but can you not see that exception swallowing the rule in the blink of an eye? If they change the law to prevent double dipping, but make an exception for people hire into a different position, you will very quickly see former "teachers" being hired back as "class room administraters" or some such bullsh*t. And what is the reason for the exception? If you work for the state you work for the state and you should not be pulling a pension.

What don't you get? Are you so determined to prove some warfare point against Walker that logic fails? He is not excepting his own employees from any reform legislation as you stated. He says he's not going to ask the ones currently receiving them to give them up. And he's not going to ask anyone else currently receiving them to give them up either. He's trying to, pay attention now, reform the system. For Christ sake....here I thought there was hope.
 
What don't you get? Are you so determined to prove some warfare point against Walker that logic fails? He is not excepting his own employees from any reform legislation as you stated. He says he's not going to ask the ones currently receiving them to give them up. And he's not going to ask anyone else currently receiving them to give them up either. He's trying to, pay attention now, reform the system. For Christ sake....here I thought there was hope.

Try to pay attention, now. First, I never said that Walker was trying to exclude his staffers from the legislation, as you claim. That would make no sense because Walker hasn't proposed the legislation, as you also mistakenly assert. It's being proposed by a legislator. What Walker said, through his spokesman, is that he didnt' think that his staffers should have to give up their pensions because they were doing different jobs. Hope that finally clears it up for you.
 
Yes, even a quarter of Wisconsin Republicans are sick of his ass. You didn't think that people, even Republicans, could be tricked into voting against their own interests forever, did you?

I have previously predicted that, although the Senate is going to flip, Walker will survive the recall. I still stick with this prediction, but admittedly, I am out on a limb now, and I am not sure that this will be the result. Governor Walker is extremely vulnerable now. He has sown a lot of douchebaggery, so it is reasonable to expect him to reap a lot of disgust.

Article is here.

I say good riddance to this neo-fascist asshat.

Unions are the foundation of economic democracy and the mother of the middle class.

We are regressing as a nation. First, the neo-fascists repeal Glass-Steagall and in less than ten years the pigs on Wall Street manage to drag the economy all the way back to 1932. Now, the neo-fascists want to bust up the unions. Next, they'll want to repeal the 13th Amendment.

This shate's gotta go.

Give Walker his walking papers.
 
FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope the mutt gets recalled....wait and see
 
Try to pay attention, now. First, I never said that Walker was trying to exclude his staffers from the legislation, as you claim. That would make no sense because Walker hasn't proposed the legislation, as you also mistakenly assert. It's being proposed by a legislator. What Walker said, through his spokesman, is that he didnt' think that his staffers should have to give up their pensions because they were doing different jobs. Hope that finally clears it up for you.

I'll also point out that Walker would exempt his own staffers who are drawing state pensions. :roll:

Please show me where he said he didn't think his staffers should have to give up their pensions because they were doing different jobs. You know, a quote....with a link. I'll wait. 'Til hell freezes over. It ain't there.
 
Walker is toast.... badly burned toast that needs to be placed right in the trash with the other garbage.
 
Please show me where he said he didn't think his staffers should have to give up their pensions because they were doing different jobs. You know, a quote....with a link. I'll wait. 'Til hell freezes over. It ain't there.

I already quoted it once. If you couldn't translate it from the English the first time I don't see how requoting it will help.
 
I already quoted it once. If you couldn't translate it from the English the first time I don't see how requoting it will help.

In that case, you must mean this:

On Friday, Walker said he supports a bill that would end double dipping. But the Republican governor has no plans to ask his appointees to stop taking their pensions, spokesman Cullen Werwie said.

".....has no plans to ask his appointees to stop...." does not mean:

Originally posted by Adam T:

I'll also point out that Walker would exempt his own staffers who are drawing state pensions.

I thought there was hope for you. I see I was wrong. Too bad.
 
Now you seem to have lost the thread of your own questions, or you really do have a reading disability. Best to move on.
 
Well, keep plugging away then. I suggest you start by going back and reading your own question and then look for the perfectly obvious answer to it in the quote I already provided.
 
the silent majority that elected walker in the first place and kept the republicans in control of the senate during the recalls will again keep walker in office. just you watch.
 
the silent majority that elected walker in the first place and kept the republicans in control of the senate during the recalls will again keep walker in office. just you watch.

Hope you're right.
 
Statues of gold should be built in his honor.

The unions are a microcosm of everything that is wrong with the United States of Socialism we've become.

Do you recognize how ridiculous your statement is?

Lets see.....the right of people to stand up for their rights against the government and to negotiate for their salaries and benefits.....THAT is what you call socialism? LOL.....

Talk about backwards thinking.
 
the silent majority that elected walker in the first place and kept the republicans in control of the senate during the recalls will again keep walker in office. just you watch.

What you are failing to recognize is they aren't a "silent majority". You also fail to understand the difference between a statewide seat and district elections.
Even Republicans are turning against this turket. Walker is toast. He made his bed, now its time for him to lie in it.
 
the silent majority that elected walker in the first place and kept the republicans in control of the senate during the recalls will again keep walker in office. just you watch.

Then again, you can fool some of the people some of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

The fact of the matter is that the middle class public worker is NOT responsible for cleaning out the treasury in Wisconsin. The real culprit is the private sector, upper class nabob with controlling interest in a company (perhaps even one that has outsourced its labor to Mexico and Bangladesh) that is allowed to charge the State of Wisconsin three to five times fair market value on whatever widget this nabob's company provides to the State of Wisconsin. How can this happen? It happens because said nabob has made a rather large contribution to the political party that steered him the sweetheart contract. These sort of shenanigans have been going on for decades, and the nabobs have only gotten greedier. It was really only a matter of time until they cleaned out the treasuries of just about every state in the union where machine politics is entrenched.

You do not hear too much about this phenomenon in the media because the media is largely owned by upper class nabobs. Now that these pigs have emptied the trough, and people are starting to ask "Where the hell have all our tax dollars gone?" the pigs are using their controlling interest in mass media to point the finger at middle class public workers.

And people like you are being duped, once again.
 
The fact of the matter is that the middle class public worker is NOT responsible for cleaning out the treasury in Wisconsin.

Please provide a listing of WI's biggest expenses so we can see where all of the tax payer money is really going. That is the only way in which we can all determine what cuts will have the biggest affect. In other words, I'm not sure how you can balance the 3.8 bil. dollar WI shortfall without making cuts to the category that is causing at least 40% of the state's spending and nearly 50% of the local government's spending.

BTW, I would agree in a sense. It really isn't just the public sector employee, it's also the public sector union bosses and the tax payer representitves at the bargaining table that enable them and give away the farm.
 
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