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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Not for similar education levels.
    Actually, yes. They looked at education when doing the study. The authors of one of the studies even found that teachers that leave their career and go to the private sector make much less in total compensation and people that leave the private sector to go into teaching make much more in total compensation. Salary was about equal. The largest difference was in benefits. It's one of the reasons that you have not seen a mass exodus of teachers (except for some retirements) to the private sector in WI.
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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Buck begs to differ:



    As does MrVicchio:
    The **** are you talking about? Do you READ what people say or do you just apply what you want them to mean in your own la-la world?
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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

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    The fact is that Wisconsin didn't have a budget problem before the recession. As the Republicans like to say -- never let a crisis go to waste....
    Never let facts confuse a "witty" one liner- Lefty playbook, page 5.

    First, lets look at the budget problem. The State of Wisconsin has had a structural deficit since days of Tommy Thompson (current issues here ). They are largely the result of large increases to K-12 spending, tougher sentencing laws (map here ), and tax cuts in early 2000. To be sure, there are other factors (such as rising healthcare expenditures) contributing to our current problems. But those three changes were the genesis.While they did occur under a Republican Governor, every Governor since has kicked the can down the road. And now the healthcare expenditures are starting to bite as well. Doyle was the most creative in using temporary tricks and one time money to close the gap. Even raiding a fund we will have to pay back. Andrew Reschovsky discusses efficient tax policy and proposes some tax altering policies which might be used to close the gap. If you are interested in understanding why Wisconsin taxes are higher than other states, read this excellent piece by Todd Berry and Dale Knapp. Higher taxes are in part to fund higher spending, and in part due to less efficient taxing. The reasons for the higher spending are clearly outlined, in the piece but include paving roads no one else paves, K-12 benefits packages, and subsidizing higher education tuition. (although this last one has obviously declined substantially recently).
    A Random Walk: Wisconsin's Budget Problems
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Never let facts confuse a "witty" one liner- Lefty playbook, page 5.



    A Random Walk: Wisconsin's Budget Problems
    Thanks for that blog post from some professor in Wisconsin. I could cite multiple blog posts that say just the opposite.

    Personally I like Fox News' take on this. Shep Smith Wisconsin Union Busting | No Budget Crisis | Koch | Mediaite

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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

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    So, where was the evidence that Koch told him what to do in that call and Walker saying you got it? Imaginations can be a good thing, if used properly. Both governor candidates (dem and republican) ran on tax cuts. Koch didn't tell him to do it, despite whats going on in your head.

    You ask in post #155, this question (I'll wait for some real proof on that too. Something other then some opinion piece would be just great) in reply to my post calling walker a" koch bros lackey".

    So now you’re attempting to move the goalpost with this post. it meets the criteria that YOU MADE. Its real proof and it shows whatta lackey walker is.

    And i thought conservative was a ****en hack.
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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    If I remember correctly, the other recalls went swimmingly well. Try again, this time with the Governor.
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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by treedancer View Post
    You ask in post #155, this question (I'll wait for some real proof on that too. Something other then some opinion piece would be just great) in reply to my post calling walker a" koch bros lackey".

    So now you’re attempting to move the goalpost with this post. it meets the criteria that YOU MADE. Its real proof and it shows whatta lackey walker is.

    And i thought conservative was a ****en hack.
    Anyway, now that you got that off your chest. I'm still waiting for proof that the Koch Bros were responsible for the tax cuts and Walker does what the Koch's tell him to do. Afterall, weren't those the original assertions you made?

    I understand that you can't find proof that Walker does everything that the Kochs want him to (which would make Walker a lackey) - that wasn't even close to being proven in the call - so feel you have to lash out.
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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Anyway, now that you got that off your chest. I'm still waiting for proof that the Koch Bros were responsible for the tax cuts and Walker does what the Koch's tell him to do. Afterall, weren't those the original assertions you made?

    I understand that you can't find proof that Walker does everything that the Kochs want him to (which would make Walker a lackey) - that wasn't even close to being proven in the call - so feel you have to lash out.

    It seems the citizens of Wisconsin have a more realistic outlook than you. Republican lawmakers lost their seats to recall, and Walker is watchin the skids get greased from his office window.
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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by treedancer View Post
    It seems the citizens of Wisconsin have a more realistic outlook than you. Republican lawmakers lost their seats to recall, and Walker is watchin the skids get greased from his office window.
    If realistic to you means that Walker taking the apparently first call ever from a Koch brother means he's a lacky, I am happy to not be part of your definition.

    One of the two that was recalled last go around was involved in personal scandals. The second was in a dem district. What a return on the money and a great victory for unions. haha

    I would expect Walker to survive the recall process. Guess we'll have to see how it turns out.
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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

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    Unions have declined in the last 30 years.

    Income for everyone but the top 10% of income distribution has declined in the last 30 years.

    You do the math.
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