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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It is hard to fathom the stupidity that allows people to think teachers, police, and firefighters being "overpaid" brought about the Great Recession, which is real reason states were having trouble making budget.
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    Strawman, no one believes that.
    Buck begs to differ:
    I do? I don't believe for a second that PS unions brought about the recession.

    I certainly believe that the total PS union costs were going to bury some states regardless of the recession and when times get tough, that is the bulk of the budget and where the cuts would make the most difference.
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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The unions are a microcosm of everything that is wrong with the United States of Socialism we've become.
    Don't take this personally, Bush misused words all the time, but you don't understand the definition of 'Microcosm'..

    Microcosm = anything that is regarded as a world in miniature. You can not have a 'world in miniature' of 'everything that is wrong with...' -- makes no sense.

    Understand?

    I think I know what you meant to say, but perhaps you should give it a try.

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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I do? I don't believe for a second that PS unions brought about the recession.

    I certainly believe that the total PS union costs were going to bury some states regardless of the recession and when times get tough, that is the bulk of the budget and where the cuts would make the most difference.
    The states were doing fine meeting their obligations for teacher's meager compensation packages until the recession caused by the 1%, which slashed state revenues, and you think the teachers should be the ones to suffer because of that.

    Its exactly the same as the rich who used social security to fund our wars so they could continue to get their tax increases, and now expect seniors to suffer cuts in benefits so the he rich don't have to give up their tax cuts to pay that money back.
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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The states were doing fine meeting their obligations for teacher's meager compensation packages until the recession caused by the 1%, which slashed state revenues, and you think the teachers should be the ones to suffer because of that.

    Its exactly the same as the rich who used social security to fund our wars so they could continue to get their tax increases, and now expect seniors to suffer cuts in benefits so the he rich don't have to give up their tax cuts to pay that money back.
    Pension obligations were an issue for some states even before the recession. Recession's fault or not, spending has to be cut. Tax increases alone will not take fix it. State's spent when the economy was going well. Now, they have to cut some of that spending when the economy is hurting.

    I would argue that the cuts in the biggest expenses the states face are where the cuts will have the biggest impact. It's going to be difficult to balance a state's budget without touching a full 50% of the state's costs.

    Lastly, there are a couple of studies that indicate that total PS compensation is higher then that in the private sector, even accounting for education levels. Of course, as I am sure you will argue there is a study that argues the opposite and yet another study that puts the private/public compensation at about equal. I tend to believe the studies arguing that it is higher.
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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Pension obligations were an issue for some states even before the recession. Recession's fault or not, spending has to be cut. Tax increases alone will not take fix it. State's spent when the economy was going well. Now, they have to cut some of that spending when the economy is hurting. I would argue that the cuts in the biggest expenses the states face are where the cuts will have the biggest impact. It's going to be difficult to balance a state's budget without touching a full 50% of the state's costs.
    No state that was well run was having trouble meeting its obligations meeting teachers meager compensation for their service. Education, for which our economic future depends, is the last places you want to make cuts to make up for the wall street recession and tax cuts to the wealthy.
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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    The fact is that Wisconsin didn't have a budget problem before the recession. As the Republicans like to say -- never let a crisis go to waste....

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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No state that was well run was having trouble meeting its obligations meeting teachers meager compensation for their service. Education, for which our economic future depends, is the last places you want to make cuts to make up for the wall street recession and tax cuts to the wealthy.
    Whether you feel that the states were well run or not makes no difference to me. It doesn't change the fact that some sates were having problems with pension obligations even before the recession. The recession simply made it more obvious and more critical.

    Public sector union employees, according to some studies are compensated (wage and benefits) at higher levels then similar private sector jobs. Your opinion that they are not means much less then the studies I reviewed.
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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

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    The fact is that Wisconsin didn't have a budget problem before the recession. As the Republicans like to say -- never let a crisis go to waste....
    So what? They had problems after the recession due to all the spending the state did before the recession. They had to bring the spending under control once the revenues dried up. 3.x billion in deficit is not something that WI could have taxed their way out of.

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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    So what? They had problems after the recession due to all the spending the state did before the recession. They had to bring the spending under control once the revenues dried up. 3.x billion in deficit is not something that WI could have taxed their way out of.
    Like almost every state, they had problems after the recession due to a dramatic loss of revenue coupled with a rise in the need for services.

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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    So what? They had problems after the recession due to all the spending the state did before the recession. They had to bring the spending under control once the revenues dried up. 3.x billion in deficit is not something that WI could have taxed their way out of.

    Kinda makes one wonder how the states fiscal bureau (the badgers answer to the CBO)came to the conclusion that wiconsin didnít need austerity measures eh?
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