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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by treedancer View Post
    Look at them dead looking eyes on walker...i haven't seen eyes like that since nixon.
    I think Koch gives him a run for his money.

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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I think Koch gives him a run for his money.
    I heard a rumor that the kochs have him on speed dial.
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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Statues of gold should be built in his honor.

    The unions are a microcosm of everything that is wrong with the United States of Socialism we've become.
    Yes, because child labor and company towns were so-ooo American, red, white and blue. Let's get back to those days.

    And employees of a private company banning together and asking for better wages and working conditions = 'socialism'.?? Your comment is beyond stupid...


    BTW - Ronald Reagan was the president of a huge LABOR UNION.... SAG.

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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Supporting Unions is not the same as supporting PUBLIC SECTOR Unions. I hold no bones on Unions, 90% of the time, they are bad for the employees, and bad for the businesses. But when it come to PUBLIC SECTOR, they are a scourge that must be destroyed.
    I couldn't agree more.
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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I couldn't agree more.

    When are you going to change your lean from undisclosed to conservative Maggie?
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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Please provide a listing of WI's biggest expenses so we can see where all of the tax payer money is really going. That is the only way in which we can all determine what cuts will have the biggest affect. In other words, I'm not sure how you can balance the 3.8 bil. dollar WI shortfall without making cuts to the category that is causing at least 40% of the state's spending and nearly 50% of the local government's spending.

    BTW, I would agree in a sense. It really isn't just the public sector employee, it's also the public sector union bosses and the tax payer representitves at the bargaining table that enable them and give away the farm.
    It is hard to fathom the stupidity that allows people to think teachers, police, and firefighters being "overpaid" brought about the Great Recession, which is real reason states were having trouble making budget.

    Recession-bruised states' revenue sank 30 percent in 2009, Census Bureau reports

    "The recession blew a huge hole in the already shaky finances of state governments, causing them to lose nearly one-third of their revenue in 2009, according to a Census Bureau report released Wednesday.

    The severe drop in revenue resulted largely from the big investment losses experienced by state pension funds during the worst period of the downturn. Also, the report said, tax revenue slipped while surging demand from newly needy citizens drained the funds that back unemployment benefits, publicly funded health care and workers' compensation.

    Overall, total state government revenue dropped 30.8 percent, to $1.1 trillion, between fiscal 2008 and 2009, according to the report."

    Recession-bruised states' revenue sank 30 percent in 2009, Census Bureau reports - CFED News Clips
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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It is hard to fathom the stupidity that allows people to think teachers, police, and firefighters being "overpaid" brought about the Great Recession, which is real reason states were having trouble making budget.
    Strawman, no one believes that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Recession-bruised states' revenue sank 30 percent in 2009, Census Bureau reports
    Yep, that means states have to be smart and look at where changes can be made, one of those areas is to look at pay and benefits packages. What was "affordable" in good times, isn't always in bad. And in bad times, the light of concern shines most brightly on, shall we say, wasteful spending.
    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "The recession blew a huge hole in the already shaky finances of state governments, causing them to lose nearly one-third of their revenue in 2009, according to a Census Bureau report released Wednesday.

    The severe drop in revenue resulted largely from the big investment losses experienced by state pension funds during the worst period of the downturn. Also, the report said, tax revenue slipped while surging demand from newly needy citizens drained the funds that back unemployment benefits, publicly funded health care and workers' compensation.

    Overall, total state government revenue dropped 30.8 percent, to $1.1 trillion, between fiscal 2008 and 2009, according to the report."

    Recession-bruised states' revenue sank 30 percent in 2009, Census Bureau reports - CFED News Clips
    Yep, and when revenues shrink, you look at where spending is the most bloated. Thank you for making, after your strawman has been ignored as the silliness it is, the point for us. States were spending too much, and when the **** hit the fan... all bets were off.
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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Strawman, no one believes that.
    Buck begs to differ:

    "Please provide a listing of WI's biggest expenses so we can see where all of the tax payer money is really going. That is the only way in which we can all determine what cuts will have the biggest affect. In other words, I'm not sure how you can balance the 3.8 bil. dollar WI shortfall without making cuts to the category that is causing at least 40% of the state's spending and nearly 50% of the local government's spending."
    As does MrVicchio:

    Yep, that means states have to be smart and look at where changes can be made, one of those areas is to look at pay and benefits packages. What was "affordable" in good times, isn't always in bad. And in bad times, the light of concern shines most brightly on, shall we say, wasteful spending.


    Yep, and when revenues shrink, you look at where spending is the most bloated. Thank you for making, after your strawman has been ignored as the silliness it is, the point for us. States were spending too much, and when the **** hit the fan... all bets were off
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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Buck begs to differ:



    As does MrVicchio:
    LOL. Well done.
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    Re: New poll shows majority support Walker recall

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yeah, I actually read it through before I posted it.

    That's why I pointed out that Walker's tax cuts over the next three years equal roughly the entire deficit for this year.
    That's not quite true either, but even if it is that's a silly thing to argue. The deficit in fiscal period 2009 to 2011 was roughly equaly to the tax cuts that Walker enacted for fiscal period 2011 to 2013. But so what? The reason the fiscal period 09 to 11 was as low as it was, was because Doyle and the other democrats illegally raided (as found by a court) other funds. The courts ordered the government to repay those funds. Which Walker inherited and had to do.

    Doyle projected the 11-13 WI deficit to be 3.x billion dollars. This was before Walker was even elected. The roughly couple of hundred million in business tax cuts that Walker passed, would not have "solved a good deal of the problem" and have the potential of paying for themselves, as businesses move to WI - and I know for a fact that some businesses have moved there.
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