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    Re: China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    Julia Gillard is the PM of Australia. From my initial comment it should be obvious that i was unimpressed with my own Governments part in the decision.
    Bottom line.

    Any country in the world can seek permission for a military base on Australian soil.

    However, it can only happen if the Australian government says yes and signs the agreements.

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    Re: China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Bottom line.

    Any country in the world can seek permission for a military base on Australian soil.

    However, it can only happen if the Australian government says yes and signs the agreements.
    Clearly i understand that which is obviously why i didn't mince my words regarding my feelings for our PM in my very first reply in this thread Tashah.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    At any rate, you seem to feel that the US is the bad guy here while absolutely ignoring your own government’s acquiescence.
    Now that i have pointed out my first post to you Tashah, i assume that you will concede that you are incorrect with your assessment here.

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    Re: China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    My personal view of the whole thing is that we should exit the ANZUS treaty and if we are to make military treaties, do so with regional allies, preferably ones that won't drag us into war after war after war. But that's unlikely to happen, so in this case I don't really care about the troops. I'm sure there's a chance it may increase some anti-Australian sentiment, but a myriad of things could do that, and the risk is minimal.
    Time well tell i guess Spud.

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    Re: China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    Now that i have pointed out my first post to you Tashah, i assume that you will concede that you are incorrect with your assessment here.
    My apologies if I am entirely incorrect. However, the post below seemed entirely and exclusively US-centric. This is what I was addressing.

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    Do you really believe any of that can honestly be compared to the US setting up a military base in the top end of Australia to permanently house up to 2500 US Marines? This is a deliberate and strategic decision for the United States to play a larger and long-term role in shaping this region and its future(Obama's own words). This is a provocative move which has China and Indonesia expressing concern and makes Australians more vulnerable to attacks by anti-american extremists in my opinion, and it's also very possible that stationing American troops in Darwin permanently could very, very easily be used to inflame anti-Australian sentiment.

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    Re: China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    My apologies if I am entirely incorrect. However, the post below seemed entirely and exclusively US-centric. This is what I was addressing.
    Apology accepted Tashah. You know me better than that from my posts. I also mentioned more than once that Australians have a very good relationship with our friends in the US and have always been loyal to them and the military will be warmly embraced and taken care of by Aussies.

    My motivation for speaking out is always for the innocents that could get caught up in any conflict. I don't for one minute think that anyone will target a US Military base here. That's not how extremists work, they target civillians. Hence my mention of concern for the 600,000 Australians who visit or reside in Indonesia each year and hence my mention of another attack like we suffered in Bali.
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    Re: China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

    Although Beijing has long-feared encirclement well before this deal e.g., during the Cold War, the reality is that 2,500 troops do not, in any meaningful way, alter the regional balance of power. This is an arrangement that the U.S. and Australian governments feel reinforce their interests. It is not something that extends beyond those interests. It does not have broad implications for the region as a whole.

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    Re: China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Bottom line.

    Any country in the world can seek permission for a military base on Australian soil.

    However, it can only happen if the Australian government says yes and signs the agreements.
    I can understand the citizens of Australia that are upset over it. We would likely quickly kick out any politician that went along with anything similiar.

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    Re: China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

    "Could anyone imagine the Chinese government sending carriers and submarines to the California coast and announcing their intention to play a larger long-term role in shaping the western coasts of the Americas?"


    Obviously the answer is no because if China did that it would trigger a global conflict but yet some Americans fail to see why China might get a little angry themselves over this new action. Oh well lets spend more money that China loaned to defend ourselves against China...Crazy F**ked up world

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    Re: China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

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    "Could anyone imagine the Chinese government sending carriers and submarines to the California coast and announcing their intention to play a larger long-term role in shaping the western coasts of the Americas?"


    Obviously the answer is no because if China did that it would trigger a global conflict but yet some Americans fail to see why China might get a little angry themselves over this new action. Oh well lets spend more money that China loaned to defend ourselves against China...Crazy F**ked up world
    The U.S. has many bases around the world. The number of troops at those bases are not always constant. However, there has been no significant upward trend on a global basis. The small base in Australia won't change that. As a result, the U.S. is not materially impacting the regional balance of power. Moreover, long-term fiscal pressures make it more likely than not that U.S. overseas deployment could decline over the medium- and longer-term.

    In contrast, China does not have military bases distributed around the world. Hence, even a move toward a small base, would raise questions as to whether China is fundamentally changing its military doctrine (traditionally focused on the East Asia region) to a more global focus that includes enhanced power projection capabilities. Historically, rising powers have broadened their military focus to reflect the expansion of their global interests, so moves by China to increase its ability to project power would not be inconsistent with history. Whether such moves would take the form of overseas bases (probably not the most likely outcome) or increased naval/air capabilities (more likely and already underway to some extent) remains to be seen.
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    Re: China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

    I cant help but laugh however when Obama made his speech in Australia- stating that Australia is the most important friend in Asia Pacific region...

    Seriously? hahahaha
    Apparently, Obama cancelled his Australia visit for the past 2 years (in a row) and suddenly he turns up at the doorstep and call Australia the most important friend...
    If I had a friend like that I would just shut the door and ask him to sod off.

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