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    Re: China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    How many Americans here would allow another Country to establish a military base on US soil and be happy about it?
    Although on any given day there are thousands of foreign military personnel in the United States, the only thing even remotely similar would be the NORAD complex in Colorado which is jointly staffed by US and Canadian air force personnel.

    The US has many hundreds of military bases all over the world. These just don't fall out of the sky. Virtually all such US bases are born/existent via a Status Of Forces Agreement (SOFA). For whatever reasons, your Australian government signed on the dotted line.

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    Re: China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

    Maybe the aussies and our govt are aware or worried about something we dont know yet...

    Australia has been our allies along time...australia had troops for years in VietNam...in support of us

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    Re: China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Although on any given day there are thousands of foreign military personnel in the United States, the only thing even remotely similar would be the NORAD complex in Colorado which is jointly staffed by US and Canadian air force personnel.
    Thousands of foreign military personnel in the USA? Really? Where are they, and where are they from?
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    Re: China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Thousands of foreign military personnel in the USA? Really? Where are they, and where are they from?
    There are always foreign military attaches meeting their US counterparts at the Pentagon. They also monitor the quality/specifications of purchased military hardware items produced by US firms. Foreign officers/soldiers receive training at many Army, Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corps bases. Specialized training occurs at Quantico and Ranger School. Foreign Special Forces soldiers such as the SAS train here with Delta Force personnel. Germany has an air defense school in El Paso and trains pilots at Holloman Air Force base. 30 countries send officers to the Naval Postgraduate School. There are always foreign soldiers at the US Military School of Languages in Monterrey. I myself spent two weeks at Creech Air Force base in Nevada (USAF/UAV Command)... and the British Royal Air Force has a squadron that trains extensively at Creech. The US DoD is vast and foreign military personnel are always here to learn/train, purchase equipment, and exchange knowledge/intelligence.

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    Re: China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    There are always foreign military attaches meeting their US counterparts at the Pentagon. They also monitor the quality/specifications of purchased military hardware items produced by US firms. Foreign officers/soldiers receive training at many Army, Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corps bases. Specialized training occurs at Quantico and Ranger School. Foreign Special Forces soldiers such as the SAS train here with Delta Force personnel. Germany has an air defense school in El Paso and trains pilots at Holloman Air Force base. 30 countries send officers to the Naval Postgraduate School. There are always foreign soldiers at the US Military School of Languages in Monterrey. I myself spent two weeks at Creech Air Force base in Nevada (USAF/UAV Command)... and the British Royal Air Force has a squadron that trains extensively at Creech. The US DoD is vast and foreign military personnel are always here to learn/train, purchase equipment, and exchange knowledge/intelligence.
    Do you really believe any of that can honestly be compared to the US setting up a military base in the top end of Australia to permanently house up to 2500 US Marines? This is a deliberate and strategic decision for the United States to play a larger and long-term role in shaping this region and its future(Obama's own words). This is a provocative move which has China and Indonesia expressing concern and makes Australians more vulnerable to attacks by anti-american extremists in my opinion, and it's also very possible that stationing American troops in Darwin permanently could very, very easily be used to inflame anti-Australian sentiment.

    Spud, i noticed you chimed in with a like on Tashas post. (I liked it purely for the information provided) and obviously you don't feel as strongly about this as i do but i have a question for you.

    Do you believe this could be used to inflame Anti Australian sentiment? Are you now more concerned with the real possibility that 600,000 Australians living and visiting Indonesia every year may be more at risk from people who think like Umar Pathek? I am. I'm not keen on another Bali Bombing experience or anything remotely like it.
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    Re: China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    Spud, i noticed you chimed in with a like on Tashas post. (I liked it purely for the information provided) and obviously you don't feel as strongly about this as i do but i have a question for you.

    Do you believe this could be used to inflame Anti Australian sentiment? Are you now more concerned with the real possibility that 600,000 Australians living and visiting Indonesia every year may be more at risk from people who think like Umar Pathek? I am. I'm not keen on another Bali Bombing experience or anything remotely like it.
    My personal view of the whole thing is that we should exit the ANZUS treaty and if we are to make military treaties, do so with regional allies, preferably ones that won't drag us into war after war after war. But that's unlikely to happen, so in this case I don't really care about the troops. I'm sure there's a chance it may increase some anti-Australian sentiment, but a myriad of things could do that, and the risk is minimal.
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    Re: China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    How many Americans here would allow another Country to establish a military base on US soil and be happy about it?

    This is an unnecessary provocation. Australia is one of the few nations that undeniably stand shoulder to shoulder with America come hell or high water. Obama knows that and he's using that and us to his advantage. Who the hell does he think he is? Americas version of Crocodile Dundee?
    Why is it a provocation? There are security threats in the Asia-Pacific region... the only security threat in North America comes from illegal immigration...
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    Re: China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

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    Thousands of foreign military personnel in the USA? Really? Where are they, and where are they from?
    There are even Taiwanese military personnel in the United States... imagine that!!!
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    Re: China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    Do you really believe any of that can honestly be compared to the US setting up a military base in the top end of Australia to permanently house up to 2500 US Marines? This is a deliberate and strategic decision for the United States to play a larger and long-term role in shaping this region and its future(Obama's own words). This is a provocative move which has China and Indonesia expressing concern and makes Australians more vulnerable to attacks by anti-american extremists in my opinion, and it's also very possible that stationing American troops in Darwin permanently could very, very easily be used to inflame anti-Australian sentiment.
    The post of mine that you quoted (#34) was my response to a question posed to me by Dittohead not (#33).

    At any rate, you seem to feel that the US is the bad guy here while absolutely ignoring your own government’s acquiescence. The US can’t just drop a base in Australia or in any other nation without the express permission (SOFA) of the host government. One of two things happened here. Either the US asked and Australia said yes, or Australia asked and the US said yes. Either way, it only came to fruition because of Australian assent. Your beef should be with your own government rather than with the US.

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    Re: China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    At any rate, you seem to feel that the US is the bad guy here while absolutely ignoring your own government’s acquiescence. The US can’t just drop a base in Australia or in any other nation without the express permission (SOFA) of the host government. One of two things happened here. Either the US asked and Australia said yes, or Australia asked and the US said yes. Either way, it only came to fruition because of Australian assent. Your beef should be with your own government rather than with the US.
    My beef is with both Governments Tashah which should be obvious when in my very first post in this thread (post #7), i said

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    What surprises me most is that there has been absolutely no public discussion at all of this issue. This is a highly provacative move. What are we. The disposable front line in case of attack???

    F*ck you Julia Gillard. Why don't you just ask the US Administration to just "liberate" us and make us officially the 51st state.
    Julia Gillard is the PM of Australia. From my initial comment it should be obvious that i was unimpressed with my own Governments part in the decision.
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