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    Re: China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    With military bases in South Korea, Japan and The Phillipines primarily as well as other South East Asian countries I think Ozzland is the least of the Chinese worries.
    Apparently you didn't get the memo, the US closed it's military bases in the Philippines almost 20 years ago. We do still have some joint training that takes place there and rights to use some of their bases, since we have a defense agreement with them, but no active bases. We may still have a few listening posts and communications stations there, I don't know, I am not on the mailing list for them.

    I really don't see why committing some of our troops to a longstanding and committed ally like Australia is such a problem. I have to say, this is one thing that I will not be criticizing BO about.

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    Re: China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Under no circumstances should the U.S. show any weakness in the face of China whatsoever.
    too late.

    we depend on them to manufacture nearly everything for us, and we are heavily in debt to them.

    we aren't weak militarily. however, it's a changing world, and there are great risks that don't involve number / placement of missiles.

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    Re: China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Make no mistake, China has one goal in mind: build a military comparable to ours by first taking over the world economically.

    Doesn't mean they will, but they want to. They have the supreme advantage because their people have no rights, and they have an endless supply of slave labor (which they used to build their Olympic facilities).

    Got any proof of that?

    From what I can tell China has every right to be nervous about the US putting troops in Australia as the US has been busy creating an Asian NATO to confront China (Southeast Asia: U.S. Completing Asian NATO To Confront China) and last year after the South Korean Cheonan incident to put the USS George Washington super carrier in China's EEZ (USS George Washington Visit Poses A Dilemma For China). In addition to this, there have been protests to stop the creation of another South Korean naval base for the US (US to use S. Korean base to project power against China? — RT) which has the capacity to hold "20 large destroyers, two aircraft carriers, two subs and [will] be outfitted with the Aegis ballistic missile defense system" in addition to this, the naval base will be "less than 300 miles away from the Chinese mainland." Thus, China has every right to be worried.
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    Re: China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    too late.

    we depend on them to manufacture nearly everything for us, and we are heavily in debt to them.

    we aren't weak militarily. however, it's a changing world, and there are great risks that don't involve number / placement of missiles.
    I have never understood this. We are willing to show a big military presence but on the other hand are willing to further weaken ourselves by going further and further into debt.

    IMO the economic threat from China is far more dangerous than the military one.

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    Re: China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

    We sent 2,500 troops there at the REQUEST of the aussies, last I heard on NPR.


    The situation is this...Australia is making China one of their primary trade partners...they are linking their economies. Which makes many aussies nervous, due to China's government, and history.

    If anyone has a problem with this move, they might auta ask the Australians, first. At this point, we look to be nothing other than a concerned, and helpful ally.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

    We can not at this time afford to be the world's watch dog. If Australia has concerns that deep, don't enter into the agreements.

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    Re: China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I have never understood this. We are willing to show a big military presence but on the other hand are willing to further weaken ourselves by going further and further into debt.

    IMO the economic threat from China is far more dangerous than the military one.
    not to mention the fact that they produce most of the tech infrastructure that we depend on for everything.

    one doesn't have to delve too far into conspiracy nuttery to envision a scenario in which foreign powers who build all of the computers could have a backdoor into every piece of high tech hardware on the planet.

    i don't want a trade war or any other kind of war with China. however, i think it's in the interest of national security that we consider making more of our sensitive tech domestically.

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    Re: China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    We can not at this time afford to be the world's watch dog. If Australia has concerns that deep, don't enter into the agreements.
    Oh, I agree on this...I was just replying more to people who thought we were doing this to poke the chinese in the eye.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    We sent 2,500 troops there at the REQUEST of the aussies, last I heard on NPR.
    Australia has agreed to host a full US Marine task force in the coming years, Prime Minister Julia Gillard has announced at a news conference with US President Barack Obama in Canberra.
    Many Australians are not happy about this. There has been no public discussion/input preceeding this announcement. Why would any sovereign country in times of peace allow another country’s military unit to be stationed on their own soil?

    More “peace initiatives” from Mr. Nobel Peace Prize. You're a bloody idiot Obama. Piss off. We don't need your provocation here.
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    Re: China uneasy over US troop deal in Australia

    Sky News: Obama addresses federal parliament

    Part of Obama's address to our Members in Parliament.

    Mr Obama says the 60-year-old ANZUS alliance between the US and Australia has never been stronger, and says America is turning its attention to the Asia Pacific region.
    'As President, I've therefore made a deliberate and strategic decision - as a Pacific nation, the United States will play a larger and long-term role in shaping this region and its future, by upholding core principles and in close partnership with allies and friends.'
    he also said (referring to Australians)

    'We have fought together, we have given lives together in every single major conflict of the past 100 years, every single one.'
    Yes. Yes we have. So perhaps he can explain to us Loyal Aussies why he is so willing to use us knowing full well the tensions it will create in this provocative move.
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