crackdown on "OWS" capms coordinated by US mayors

[Maximus Zeebra]

Crackdown on OWS camps coordinated by US city mayors — RT

again public opinion and protest is denied. the fascist hits again.

do the population at large still have a right to protest and be heard in the US?

 

[KevinKohler]

Crackdown on OWS camps coordinated by US city mayors — RT

again public opinion and protest is denied. the fascist hits again.

do the population at large still have a right to protest and be heard in the US?

So long as the use of that right doesn't result in other people's rights being violated, yes.

A mayors first priority is to the citizens that voted him/her mayor. Don't complain about the mayor, complain about all the "99%" actually living and trying to work in these towns petitioning the mayor to have these protesters removed.

That's called democracy.

 

[jamesrage]

Crackdown on OWS camps coordinated by US city mayors — RT

again public opinion and protest is denied. the fascist hits again.

do the population at large still have a right to protest and be heard in the US?

No one is being denied their right to protest.What is being denied is their ability to stay at a area for as long as they like. These people can come back, these people can go somewhere else to protest,and these people can go on the side walks to protest. Other people may want to use those parks,other people may want to protest in those parks,cities may have to clean those areas up, cities may have public works project going on in and around those parks.The first amendment does not give you a right to protest anywhere you want for as log as you want just like the 2nd amendment does not give me the right to shoot my firearm off at 3AM for no reason or to randomly shoot people for what ever reason I feel like. I can not walk into a bank and say this is a stick up with a firearm and then tell the judge I was exercising my first amendment rights in conjunction with my 2nd amendment rights.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Wonder how much bones or promises corporate lobbyists threw at them?

 

[Ikari]

That's called democracy.

We do not live in a pure democracy, in fact that's stupid. That is nothing more than mob rule. In our Republic, the whim of the majority may not overrule the rights of the minority.

 

[KevinKohler]

We do not live in a pure democracy, in fact that's stupid. That is nothing more than mob rule. In our Republic, the whim of the majority may not overrule the rights of the minority.

Correct. But if the mayor wants to get re-elected, he/she is going to do what the majority wants them to do. Which makes THOSE people his/her first priority.

 

[Ikari]

Correct. But if the mayor wants to get re-elected, he/she is going to do what the majority wants them to do. Which makes THOSE people his/her first priority.

He/she can try; but he/she is limited in what powers they can use and what actions they can take against the People. Mob rule is not a good thing.

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

No one is being denied their right to protest.What is being denied is their ability to stay at a area for as long as they like. These people can come back, these people can go somewhere else to protest,and these people can go on the side walks to protest. Other people may want to use those parks,other people may want to protest in those parks,cities may have to clean those areas up, cities may have public works project going on in and around those parks.The first amendment does not give you a right to protest anywhere you want for as log as you want just like the 2nd amendment does not give me the right to shoot my firearm off at 3AM for no reason or to randomly shoot people for what ever reason I feel like. I can not walk into a bank and say this is a stick up with a firearm and then tell the judge I was exercising my first amendment rights in conjunction with my 2nd amendment rights.

I feel everytime there is a protest in the US, the police is there cracking down on it.

also having to need a permission to proteat goes against the logic of protesting. we are all being brainwashed to think the wrong things, that having to apply to protest makes sense.

you are all owned.

 

[Ikari]

I feel everytime there is a protest in the US, the police is there cracking down on it.

It's what they do. It is a bit unfortunate that we do seem to use so much police force against assembly and protest; but it's not isolated to OWS. In general, the government is not a fan of assembly and protest and do their best to minimize its effects. That's how we get "Free Speech Zones" at the political conventions. Absolutely sickening if you ask me. I think at the last RNC, they had pre-arrested people.

Land of the Free...but for how much longer?

also having to need a permission to proteat goes against the logic of protesting. we are all being brainwashed to think the wrong things, that having to apply to protest makes sense.

I feel this way about ALL rights. Be it gun, assembly, speech, etc. A right does not require permission. A permit is permission.

you are all owned.

By the same group that owns everyone else.

 

[jamesrage]

I feel everytime there is a protest in the US, the police is there cracking down on it.

They only time they crack down on the protests is if they get out of hand. This is why the police did not crack down on the republicans when they have their tea party protests. Those protests did not get out of hand.

also having to need a permission to proteat goes against the logic of protesting. we are all being brainwashed to think the wrong things, that having to apply to protest makes sense.

The permit is not for the protest,the permit it is permission to use the space for the protest. Because the parks are for everybody not just protesters, streets are for the motor vehicles to drive on not just so people can protest on them.

I do not know about new york but in my state you can protest all you want without a permit as long as you stick to doing it on your own person property or you stick to the side walks and do not block other people. If you want to protest on private property then you need permission from the owner.If you want to protest in a park then you need permit from the city. Heck I do not think you even need a permit to protest in the park, you just need a permit to camp out in the park.

you are all owned.

So you agree that I should not need a permit to exercise my 2nd amendment rights?

 

[Ikari]

So you agree that I should not need a permit to exercise my 2nd amendment rights?

Hell yeah! Open and concealed carry should be assumed standard.

 

[conservativeguy]

I feel everytime there is a protest in the US, the police is there cracking down on it.

also having to need a permission to proteat goes against the logic of protesting. we are all being brainwashed to think the wrong things, that having to apply to protest makes sense.

you are all owned.

If you lived here you would know what you wrote is hogwash. If you think the average American wants to see in their streets the crap going on in Europe, you again are very misguided.

 

[whysoserious]

If you lived here you would know what you wrote is hogwash. If you think the average American wants to see in their streets the crap going on in Europe, you again are very misguided.

That's because, socially speaking, Europe appears to be quite a bit ahead of the curve than the US.

 

[conservativeguy]

Mob rule is not a good thing.

I guess it depends on which mod you are a part of. I like the fact the sane mobs are making the insane mobs go home.

 

[Ikari]

That's because, socially speaking, Europe appears to be quite a bit ahead of the curve than the US.

I wouldn't really go that far. I think in many cases they are well more restrictive. The goal should be the maximization of all rights, not some "rights" subject to approval by the government.

 

[Ikari]

I guess it depends on which mod you are a part of. I like the fact the sane mobs are making the insane mobs go home.

There's an absolute. I'd prefer that we adhere to the rights and liberties of the individual and use extremely LIMITED government. You are seemingly different. Mob rule and government force if it's something you'd like to see government force applied to.

Man...I remember when "conservatives" had a hell of a lot more backbone.

 

[conservativeguy]

Wonder how much bones or promises corporate lobbyists threw at them?

Just like I wonder how much pressure the socialist labor lobbyists and union goons applied to the mayors to allow the illegal squatters to stink up those cities. You do know unions spend vast amounts of money on lobbyists or direct lobbying activity, don't you?

 

[conservativeguy]

There's an absolute. I'd prefer that we adhere to the rights and liberties of the individual and use extremely LIMITED government. You are seemingly different. Mob rule and government force if it's something you'd like to see government force applied to.

Man...I remember when "conservatives" had a hell of a lot more backbone.

The fact of the matter is these Occupy My Tent cesspools were violating existing laws in virtually every city they were in. I am a big believer in obeying the law. I am also a big believer in holding politicians accountable to the oaths they take. Each of the mayors that allowed this crap to go on like it did should be removed from office. It takes a backbone to have principles you actually follow.

 

[Ikari]

The fact of the matter is these Occupy My Tent cesspools were violating existing laws in virtually every city they were in. I am a big believer in obeying the law. I am also a big believer in holding politicians accountable to the oaths they take. Each of the mayors that allowed this crap to go on like it did should be removed from office. It takes a backbone to have principles you actually follow.

Indeed it does. My principles are aligned with small, restricted government and the maximization of freedom. If law violates rights, it is not a just law.

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

So long as the use of that right doesn't result in other people's rights being violated, yes.

A mayors first priority is to the citizens that voted him/her mayor. Don't complain about the mayor, complain about all the "99%" actually living and trying to work in these towns petitioning the mayor to have these protesters removed.

That's called democracy.

I never heard about anyone who wanted them gone, except for the dictators that are being critisized by them.

did you make a referendum about this or do you just assume like the dictators what people want everytime you make a decision or assumption?

a problem with democracy is that the scum elected believe a majority allow them to do anything they want.

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

By the same group that owns everyone else.

same or not same they will all burn in hell.

So you agree that I should not need a permit to exercise my 2nd amendment rights?

Yes, I suppose I do.
I have changed my position on this the last few years.

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

Hell yeah! Open and concealed carry should be assumed standard.

did you hear about the Norwegian who went arund and gunned down 80 people over a period of sevral hours? this could never have happened if people were allowed to carry weapons, someone would have stopped him. unfortunately all the people on the island had to defend with were hiding places, sticks and stones.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Just like I wonder how much pressure the socialist labor lobbyists and union goons applied to the mayors to allow the illegal squatters to stink up those cities. You do know unions spend vast amounts of money on lobbyists or direct lobbying activity, don't you?

So let me get this straight.. What you are tying to say it that the "socialist labor lobbyists" (like we have any of those with all that socialistic bills being passed :lamo ), and the "union goons" (those damn union workers!) lobbied the city? But they lobbied the people then the city and mayor sent the police in to beat the **** out of them, kick them out...
Did i get that right?

 

[Caine]

So let me get this straight.. What you are tying to say it that the "socialist labor lobbyists" (like we have any of those with all that socialistic bills being passed :lamo ), and the "union goons" (those damn union workers!) lobbied the city? But they lobbied the people then the city and mayor sent the police in to beat the **** out of them, kick them out...
Did i get that right?

The Police beat the **** out of them?

When?

 

[LaughAtTheWorld]

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